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Old 02-18-2014, 04:44 PM   #1
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2/5 top 2 pair on low board facing lot of action

Hero has 900. My image is aggro and slightly bluffy. Have played most my hands being the aggressor. Have shown down one bluff where I raised the turn with A high. River went check check and my hand was good .

Villain 1 is OK player nothing out of the ordinary but not great.

Villain 2 is loose passive fish who can't let go of hands after the flop and is the reason why I was in this hand.

Eff stack around 800 I cover both.

V1 opens to 20 in MP, V2 calls in CO I call in button with 4c6d. Blinds fold.

Flop (65) 4 5 6 rainbow

V1 bets out 25 , V2 calls , hero raises to 80 , V1 makes it 325 to go. V2 folds. Hero ...?





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Old 02-18-2014, 04:46 PM   #2
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Re: 2/5 top 2 pair on low board facing lot of action

burning money pre-flop. I'm all for getting in there and playing with the fish, but PF is clearly a losing proposition.

Obviously fold to the $325...

We're dead vs. sets, and we're in pretty ugly shape vs. straights.
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Old 02-18-2014, 04:49 PM   #3
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Re: 2/5 top 2 pair on low board facing lot of action

fold pre?

As played i'd push, he probably has AA/KK, if he has the 5s you have a couple outs still.
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Old 02-18-2014, 04:55 PM   #4
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Might want to work on some better reads...

Obv fold pre.

As played, I think call and see turn. Sizing seems weird and not very nutted, and you have already shown that you can bluff raise. His flop sizing looks like he was trying to induce with an overpair.
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Old 02-18-2014, 05:03 PM   #5
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Re: 2/5 top 2 pair on low board facing lot of action

Ship it, obvious steal maybe over pair
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Old 02-18-2014, 05:09 PM   #6
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Re: 2/5 top 2 pair on low board facing lot of action

obv fold pre yo.

obv fold to the 325. sets all day.
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Old 02-18-2014, 05:37 PM   #7
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Re: 2/5 top 2 pair on low board facing lot of action

Consider that the hero has a hand much stronger than the hand range the villain anticipates. In the villains eyes there is no hand in the hero's hand range that can call that bet. Imo his range here is 7-7 to 9-9 and I'm shipping it. I believe if he flopped a set he wouldn't scare away gis value with the 325 bet.
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Old 02-18-2014, 08:03 PM   #8
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Re: 2/5 top 2 pair on low board facing lot of action

Thinking about it from V's point of view this is the type of spot I'll never go broke with with a high pair...so often a set or straight or 2 pair against an aggro villian. His turn 3 bet sizing makes me think he is really strong but doesn't want to see another card. I think he would flat or size a little lower with a big pair (to push you out if bluffing or figure out if you are really strong).

I think Villian has a set here most of the time, sometimes 7-7 and very seldom a straight or big pair.

I find a fold here, also colored by the fact that 2 pair never seems to be as strong as it seems like it should be in these spots I end up in.

If you had top 2 on like an 9-7-3 board obv completely different.
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Old 02-18-2014, 08:14 PM   #9
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Re: 2/5 top 2 pair on low board facing lot of action

Better reads on villain would help.

One thing is for sure: this is a shove or fold spot. If we shove, we must believe villain has enough over pairs in his range, and our hand isn't strong enough to slow play vs an over pair (about 20% equity total).

If he's shown down bluffs, thin v-bets, overvalued one pair, or has been very observant of your style, I shove. Otherwise, I fold.
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:02 PM   #10
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Re: 2/5 top 2 pair on low board facing lot of action

What happened OP?
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:07 PM   #11
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Re: 2/5 top 2 pair on low board facing lot of action

Find it hard to believe that he has sets or any straight besides maybe 78s some of the time here. We block 66 and 44 and I think we can't fold.
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:18 PM   #12
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Re: 2/5 top 2 pair on low board facing lot of action

I think 7-8 is un likely after he opened to 20
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:40 PM   #13
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Re: 2/5 top 2 pair on low board facing lot of action

If it is from nothing out of ordinary player, imo fold. He knows u can definitely have something on this board based on ur description on u and the villain.
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:58 PM   #14
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Playing trash against fish is not advisable.

Not flopping gin with trash (relative to board) and raising is less advisable.

Calling major overbet with trash even less advisable.

Wait for a better spot, this should be an easy fold to the 3bet.
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Old 02-18-2014, 10:20 PM   #15
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Re: 2/5 top 2 pair on low board facing lot of action

lol don't fold. what does he have that beats us besides very minimal combos of sets? Even if he somehow does have a straight for some odd reason (which would mean he is raising a very wide range and we would have noticed) then we still have equity. Folding here is really bad.
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Old 02-18-2014, 10:27 PM   #16
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Re: 2/5 top 2 pair on low board facing lot of action

Given the image described by V1, I cant see him doing this with hands that beat us. There are a few things I would consider in this spot. Does he raise this much with the nuts or a set? I don't see how this can be a bet for value especially if he thinks that we might bluff more on the turn.

I call
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Old 02-18-2014, 10:37 PM   #17
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FYI, OP, 64 on 654 is not top 2 pair...
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Old 02-18-2014, 10:38 PM   #18
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lol don't fold. what does he have that beats us besides very minimal combos of sets? Even if he somehow does have a straight for some odd reason (which would mean he is raising a very wide range and we would have noticed) then we still have equity. Folding here is really bad.
66 55 55 32 78 65 all beat Hero. V is never spazzing with 77+ or 76 75 74
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Old 02-18-2014, 11:45 PM   #19
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Re: 2/5 top 2 pair on low board facing lot of action

Why can't V1 open pocket 5s or 78ss from MP?

More reads would be helpful.

But I'm not in this spot, because I snap folded PF.
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:20 AM   #20
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Results kinda uneventful since a 4 hit the river. Villain tank shoved I called. He asked if I had a boat I said yeah and he mucked.

I kinda think he flopped a straight or an overplayed AA but I'll never know.

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Old 02-19-2014, 12:21 AM   #21
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Sorry. 4 hit the turn. Villain shoved and a ten on the river

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Old 02-19-2014, 12:54 AM   #22
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Re: 2/5 top 2 pair on low board facing lot of action

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66 55 55 32 78 65 all beat Hero. V is never spazzing with 77+ or 76 75 74
Right because you have 5k+ hands on villain and know exactly how he plays post right? Its 2/5 live. and those hands that you listed are ridiculously few combos. If you fold here you are being way too tight post.
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