Hero: Young asian reg, been playing very snug, up a lot this session. $1300 stack.

V1: Young asian, sat down a few hands ago, seems to be a reg, but havent played with him before. $700.

V2: Very loose MAWG. Calls preflop with trash, peels tons of flops. $80 eff.

Couple of limpers, including V1 in EP and V2 in MP. I raise to $20 in LP w/89o, 4 callers including V1 and V2.

Preflop, I'm IP and some of the table is pretty deep, so I go for a pot builder. I think this is OK when done on occasion, esp since table is pretty fishy and stacks off light.

Flop: 8d 9 4 r, pot $100.

Checked to V1, who donks out for $70. V2 calls all in for less.

I raise to $210, V1 tank calls.

Donking out large seems to be a TPTK type hand, could also be OESD+overcards like JT. At this point I'm prepared to fold to a ship because I'm crushed by 44, and two albeit unlikely combos of 88, 99. This is also why my sizing is a bit small, thoughts? Seems unlikely to have an OP here after limp/calling. Raising seems to extract most value and charge draws, does anyone have an argument for flatting? V1 seems smart enough to fold TPTK type hands, so flatting confuses me.

Turn: 7d. Pot $600. V1 checks. I check back.

JT gets there, and 44 is still ahead. For some reason I was concerned he was slowplaying a set, so I checked back for pot control and see if I couldn't bink a boat. Better to just bet?

River: 8x.

Bink the boat, now V1 bets out $200. I ship for remaining $300, he open folds .

Does anyone else concur?

The flop donk bet doesn't seem super strong; especially with a short stack that could shove. I would think he's usually checking the flop with a set. Like you said, 88 and 99 are very unlikely as well.

I'd probably b/f the turn for value and to keep control of the hand. 44 doesn't concern me. JT does. There's enough hands we beat to bet though (A9 pair/draw type stuff, 67, OPs, T9s just picked up a SD).

What if the river was 2 and V bets $300? ....calling?

Absolutely no point in this preflop raise. Sizing is wrong, the limpers are rarely folding. When you raise pre you need goals. They should be: gather information about opponents hand, take the lead, and thin the field.
Since your raise is so small the limpers arent folding and the blinds came along. You haven't really defined their range and you haven't isolated an opponent (meaning little fold equity in a 5 way pot if you miss with your junk hand)

You should just fold, call or raise it up to at least $30.
At 2/5 live I like to raise to 4x + 1x per limper. If that's too much for you then you should just call/fold.
You say you raised as a pot builder because table is fishy and stacks off light. With 89o I don't get the logic here????? Please explain. If the table stacks off light then just setmine, play Axs and SC cheaply, and raise and isolate with premiums. Typical ABC stuff on beating fish.

As played, I think you played your hand fine on the flop. I would bet/fold the turn. You have a monster and want your chips in the pot!

Calling for sure, my turn check looks pretty suspicious and he might be peeling with TPTK and thinking that it's good.

Those are all very valid points. The thing is that ppl weren't folding to even 7xBB raises after limping, so I didn't think there was much point trying with a speculative hand. At the same time, limping is probably better since we can see a cheap flop.

Spr is 7 with top two op. Even multi-way, we are playing for stacks here. So the goal is to build a pot.

Personally, I don't mind raising pre with 89o, but I'm not.

When v donks flop, we can put him on 9x, tj, 67, t7, 98, 94, 84, maybe jq, and 44, 88, and random pp's including tt and jj.

When v calls flop raise, we can narrow his range down to tj, 67, t7, two-pairs and sets.

Turn doesn't change anything besides tj. Stacks are awkward because v only has a psb left. But we don't want to let random two pairs catch up and oesd also. I guess I'm checking here and letting a free card come.

Ship river.

I'd like to hear everyone's suggestions on wtf we do ott.

preflop is questionable for a number of reasons
1. people are not going to fold to a 4xbb raise when they have already limped
2. V2 with your reads might just shove for 80 after a few other people call your PFR then what do you do???
3. You will have to hit this flop hard as you are going to get called but hands that dominate you A8,A9 etc

when I do something like this is would make it 35-45 depending on who is the hand it should get people fold some trashier hand

so you hit bingo and flop top 2.
I dont mind the 3 bet after the donk bet it should start to thin the range of villain.
After he flat calls your 3 bet his range IMO is kinda narrow 44,88,99 A9dd, JJ,TT, 89, J 10 84s,94s could also be in his range but I dont know how wide preflop he is calling.

The turn I would most likely just ship it our SPR is like 1 while there is a few hand s that crush us, we are ahead of a lot his range as well. It really comes down to Preflop as this is pretty much what we are hoping to achieve with the raise playing for stacks.

river is meh easy ship I always kinda find it strange when people bet out on the river but then fold to a near minimum raise.
overall I think there are a few things that you did well in the hand the preflop raise just made things awkward.

would take note that the villain limp calls in EP with QQ then just flats a standard raise then donks on dryist board. Would keep an eye out on how often he does this as is very weak passive and can be a great way of getting money later on in the session

Raise more pre. B/f turn. V1 was either hoping to go for a limp raise against a shorter stack or is a complete fish.