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2/5: Too weak play with AKo? 2/5: Too weak play with AKo?

05-07-2018 , 01:22 AM
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New grinder type reg sits down with 300 and makes it 10 UTG, I just flat AdKs UTG1 because there’s not much in the pot (stack 850),

folds to BB (nitty guy, 550) who makes it 35, UTG calls, Hero ???

I am kind of in a lock down mode with my win so I don’t know if he will fold his JJ or something if I backraise to 135 or something so I just call.

Flop (105): QQ4hhc
BB bets 40, UTG and Hero fold



Did I play this too weak?
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05-07-2018 , 02:10 AM
I make it 40 to go after UTG min raises. Just calling leads to multiway pots which AK hates.
As played I over call pre.
On the flop I’m calling to float. I don’t think BB has QX very often so I assume any A or K is probably good. Also he could have AK.



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05-07-2018 , 02:34 AM
Preflop is easy 3b everyday all day. If you’re going to flat here bc you’re locking a win just leave the table.

Ap fold flop. If you had Ah or Kh you can consider floating
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05-07-2018 , 06:51 AM
Don't flat this shortstack minraise obviously. After BB 3bets I'd very likely still backraise/gii.

On the flop I'd still peel one in position, even without hearts. Let's see what happens.

And what Minatorr said, if you're locking a win like this, just get up and leave. No shame in that.
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05-07-2018 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Preflop is easy 3b everyday all day. If you’re going to flat here bc you’re locking a win just leave the table.

Ap fold flop. If you had Ah or Kh you can consider floating
This. If you are flatting pre the first time, just rack up. (You 3bet to get more in the pot )
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05-07-2018 , 12:12 PM
3bet pre and/or backraise.
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05-07-2018 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by momo_uk
2/5

New grinder type reg sits down with 300 and makes it 10 UTG, I just flat AdKs UTG1 because there’s not much in the pot (stack 850),

folds to BB (nitty guy, 550) who makes it 35, UTG calls, Hero ???

I am kind of in a lock down mode with my win so I don’t know if he will fold his JJ or something if I backraise to 135 or something so I just call.

Flop (105): QQ4hhc
BB bets 40, UTG and Hero fold



Did I play this too weak?
As everyone says, 3bet pre every time. Besides being +EV, hand is simpler to play.

Maybe nitty guy in BB flats and you have initiative and position post flop, or maybe he 4bets, in which case you probably fold if he's really nitty.

Also LOL at description of "grinder type" buying in for 60bb and raising 2bb UTG.

If you are locking in a win, then rack up and leave.
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05-07-2018 , 03:06 PM
As played you could potentially try a bluff raise on the flop to 100 or so. You have every reasonable combo of queens in your range, he likely only has AQ right? You would be hoping to get underpairs, random suited connectors, or other AK to fold. The only thing that makes me hesitant is villains stack size, because if he calls flop you have to shut down because he is never folding the turn for 130 more. But if he does call with an underpair you still have 6 outs and the turn will likely go check check so you will see a free river. Hes also never folding AA or KK obviously.. Just a thought.
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05-07-2018 , 04:41 PM
Floating against a nitty 3 better with overs and no back door fd is ambitious to say the least.

If he is really ABC and is never going to fire the turn or river without AA/KK then I would float here and try to rep those hands or a Q. I'd rather do that than re-raise the flop into strength where his range is very strong.

I'll feel better firing the turn and bombing the river as a bluff if he shows some weakness and will give up his JJ and worse hands.
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05-07-2018 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Geranomo
As played you could potentially try a bluff raise on the flop to 100 or so. You have every reasonable combo of queens in your range, he likely only has AQ right? You would be hoping to get underpairs, random suited connectors, or other AK to fold. The only thing that makes me hesitant is villains stack size, because if he calls flop you have to shut down because he is never folding the turn for 130 more. But if he does call with an underpair you still have 6 outs and the turn will likely go check check so you will see a free river. Hes also never folding AA or KK obviously.. Just a thought.


No, the V started hand with $550+ and I cover.
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05-07-2018 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by cheesefist
Floating against a nitty 3 better with overs and no back door fd is ambitious to say the least.

If he is really ABC and is never going to fire the turn or river without AA/KK then I would float here and try to rep those hands or a Q. I'd rather do that than re-raise the flop into strength where his range is very strong.

I'll feel better firing the turn and bombing the river as a bluff if he shows some weakness and will give up his JJ and worse hands.

What if he ends up hero-ing me with JJ putting me on busted hearts?
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05-07-2018 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
3bet pre and/or backraise.


Backraise to how much? How are you proceeding if the backraise gets called or 5b?
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05-07-2018 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
Don't flat this shortstack minraise obviously. After BB 3bets I'd very likely still backraise/gii.

On the flop I'd still peel one in position, even without hearts. Let's see what happens.

And what Minatorr said, if you're locking a win like this, just get up and leave. No shame in that.

You’re backraising to how much? And are you really GII vs BB’s 5b??
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05-07-2018 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by momo_uk
What if he ends up hero-ing me with JJ putting me on busted hearts?
Well, yeah, I'm not saying it's a flawless plan. IF he checks turn/river and you believe you have fold equity against JJ in a 3bet pot, which COULD be true if you have a tight enough image and/r he's scared money.

And it can also go down in flames as you describe.

In real time I might c/f flop, or float flop and get a read on his turn and river action.

But I'm always the one 3betting this pre. The plan all works better if you 3bet originally, instead of passively flatting both raise and 3bet pre.
You are repping a stronger range that way instead of passively coming along pre and then bombing later streets, which reps a Q only.
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05-07-2018 , 11:28 PM
Grunch

I'm almost certain that the consensus will be to 3! this to begin with, as it should be. I'm also confident that OP knows that 3! is what he should be doing here with AK.

OP told us point blank what the issue is here, that he's trying to lock up his win. The real answer to this thread is to "rack up and leave", because you're no longer playing at your best, instead you're playing passive and timid. I've been guilty of this as I'm sure most have, but this is a form of tilt. It's not tilt as we'd think of it in the traditional sense, but it's still tilt, winner's tilt. You're altering your play and taking lines that you know are suboptimal simply because of the results of your session up to that point. As played, fold flop. How should it have been played? 3! PF and c-bet the flop. Either way, grab a rack and head for the cage.
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05-08-2018 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by cheesefist
Well, yeah, I'm not saying it's a flawless plan. IF he checks turn/river and you believe you have fold equity against JJ in a 3bet pot, which COULD be true if you have a tight enough image and/r he's scared money.



And it can also go down in flames as you describe.



In real time I might c/f flop, or float flop and get a read on his turn and river action.



But I'm always the one 3betting this pre. The plan all works better if you 3bet originally, instead of passively flatting both raise and 3bet pre.

You are repping a stronger range that way instead of passively coming along pre and then bombing later streets, which reps a Q only.


But if I 3b and say both of them call, can I really cbet a QQ3 flop? They may do the same thing and try to get me off everything thinking I can only have AQ to continue.
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05-08-2018 , 03:43 AM
ya, 3! pre, utg is probably just fooling around here a lot and doesn't have a real hand. or if you think there are squeezers behind you who look to pounce on weakness, you can call with the plan to backraise in most situations.

I guess just fold the flop? you said this guy is nitty, what do you think he plays this way? is he nitty enough to check with underpairs and AK? or does he bet those here? If he bets these hands, then calling once couldn't be that bad, although I'd probably just give up here without any hearts.
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