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2/5 Thin edge at tough table. 2/5 Thin edge at tough table.

07-11-2017 , 10:20 AM
So its really late and just a bunch of regs left. V and i know each other well. We used to clean up a juicy home game back in the day while pretty much avoiding each other.

My general read on him is that he has good technique in that he is usually check calling when he should and bet/folding correctly and is mostly correct pf. Overall i put him at 16/12 VPIP.

so there has been a lot of squeezes and not a whole lot of flop play because regs love to 3b and we have started to see a few limps in EP.

V has 650, i cover

V limps UTG1, I raise from CO to 25 with A9, unknown button who just sat, flats with 800 behind, v calls

984

Checks to hero, bets 55, button calls, v raises to 185

Last edited by JB Clark; 07-11-2017 at 10:27 AM.
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07-11-2017 , 11:05 AM
I fold given read of competent reg. He's actually probably ranging you stronger than you are and you don't really like any turn cards except an A or 9. Given that you have the As, you can take a lot of flush draws out other than combo flush/straight draws and weight it stronger toward 2 pair or set type hands. Let it go and wait for a better spot.
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07-11-2017 , 11:15 AM
Obvious call. Not sure what hands you'd rather have on this flop. Our hand is effectively the same as AA (maybe better since it blocks some value combos) Having As is a plus as well.
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07-11-2017 , 11:17 AM
fold, he isn't raising light vs a bet and an unknown cold caller and it's unlikely he has T9 - K9. If the cold caller folded to your $55 bet, I might call a raise.

his most likely holding that you beat is a flush draw with 2 overs and you block a combo of that. You lose to every thing else.

Also I fold pre - that hand is just trash, and is really hard to play. It's probably neutral EV at best to even open raise it.
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07-11-2017 , 11:33 AM
I would call the flop bet. Even though we block flush draws, having the A of spades encourages us to continue. Gives us more equity. I think people are getting confused about this. If we were on the river and spades wiffed, THEN we should be more likely to fold.
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07-11-2017 , 02:30 PM
I can't ever fold here seems way to weak against a halfway decent/creative player.

This bet is so often a pair + draw trying to TID against you having missed overs.

I call and play some turns, this hand could go a million different directions at this point.
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07-11-2017 , 02:37 PM
Hero calls.

Villain shoves in the dark.

What cards are we folding and what cards are we calling?
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07-11-2017 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by randomcards
I can't ever fold here seems way to weak against a halfway decent/creative player.

This bet is so often a pair + draw trying to TID against you having missed overs.

I call and play some turns, this hand could go a million different directions at this point.
So you think a competent Villain is limp/calling 4xss from UTG? You'll most likely be facing a big bet on turn as well and you still have a player to act behind you that called your original flop bet. High variance spot and you basically have no idea where you're at. Just fold
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07-11-2017 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by JB Clark
Hero calls.

Villain shoves in the dark.

What cards are we folding and what cards are we calling?
If ur calling the flop, pretty much should have expected this. Decision for the rest of your hand needed to be made once you were left to a decision on how to respond to the raise. Since you decided to continue, basically should be calling off with any non-spade on the turn. Again, recommending folding to the raise on flop.
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07-11-2017 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JB Clark

V has 650, i cover

V limps UTG1, I raise from CO to 25 with A9, unknown button who just sat, flats with 800 behind, v calls

984

Checks to hero, bets 55, button calls, v raises to 185
Probably I fold pre regardless of position. I don't like A9. I don't know what to do with it. Seriously, I mean it. Have no idea for what that hand's good for.
I have a loose game when I play hands like A5s, A4s, T9s type.

But when I get into my tight mode, I'd only raise the pot with AA, KK, or AK and even then only in the back positions. I think position is everything, and I don’t want anybody to know what type of hand I’ve got. When I’ve limped in I could have JJ or QQ when I’m up front, I could have anything. I could have a lot of hands. So it is almost impossible to put me on a range. They don't know. I know they try hard to figure out my rage and I also know they’re wrong. So, I play on the assumption of them being wrong. Especially when I raise in the back with monsters they always put me on a steal and play back at me. (LOL).. Oh .. well, I may slowdown and suck them in. It all depends ...,

But A9o ... No!
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07-11-2017 , 03:01 PM
I feel like pre is standard. Should show a profit over 1 limp and plenty of eq to steal the blind
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07-11-2017 , 04:40 PM
If he shoves in the dark, I put him on a drawing hand .. 6s7s / 10sJs would be a monster draw for him .. has he ever shoved in the dark before ? and what did he have.

I would probably call, (if I didnt mind the variance), with any non spade, or connecting straight card.

The button could also have these type of hands. I think his shove, lets u get away, fairly easily, if its a spade/straight .. and wonder why he did it, if hes a good reg.
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07-11-2017 , 06:36 PM
Why bet so much on the flop? I'd bet a lot smaller or check back this flop since it's not very good for my overall range.

As played, I guess I just don't believe him very much. I'd call all turned spades and probably every card but a T and J, Seems like those are safe to fold.
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07-11-2017 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow
Why bet so much on the flop? I'd bet a lot smaller or check back this flop since it's not very good for my overall range.

As played, I guess I just don't believe him very much. I'd call all turned spades and probably every card but a T and J, Seems like those are safe to fold.
Yeah this seems right to me. I cant fold spades coz thst would give me a draw. I like him a lot for a combo draw. QJss KJss JTss, msybe 67ss. But most of his hands contain the Js so i hate jacks and ten is bad too.

I thought there were a lot of jacks in his range and T fills a lot of his straight draws imo

Thought about shoving as opposed to calling but i feel like he has 44 or a combo draw (he ususlly raises 88 pre), so his range is ahead. By calling and calling again on all cards but J or T i can shift the odds in my favor.

Turn is 6

Hero calls

River Ah and villain calls jack high, shows the jack of spades and hero scoops

Last edited by JB Clark; 07-11-2017 at 09:52 PM.
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