Hi all,

Maybe this is a standard spot for some, but it doesn’t come up often for me given my typical range of hands (I’m opening up now that we’re short-handed) so I wasn’t sure what to do. Also generally running bad and losing a lot lately so I’m probably way off my A game.

V is a stationy bad player. He flatted KK pre and donked twice and called a bet and a jam otr on T9h2h9sQh earlier. He called a raise
with Q2o in the BB.

Anyway hero opens QdJs in EP 6-handed and BTN and V in BB call. BTN is unknown older rec, saw him try to steal once IP. No other reads. $385 eff.

Flop ($38): KdTdQs. Hero $20, both call.

Turn ($98): Ad. V donks $80. We have nut straight and nfd. Hero?

Thanks,
DT

So what as the action in the first hand? He donked on the flop and called a raise, then did the same thing on the board pair? Did he use any particular sizing?

My issue w/ raising is that he’d need a lot of other things in order for us to not be value owning ourselves vs lower flushes. Even an idiot probably just has a straight or better.


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QJo from early position typically not profitable. I've stopped playing offsuit broadway early, a lot of the books I've read say that these hands are often dominated IF money starts to go in the pot. I've witnessed it first hand as well. I'd say trim this hand and look for better spots.

Flop is tough. Hard to get called by worse, and you're unlikely to get folds. If you do bet and you want to catch the FD's making a mistake should bet closer to $30, but not sure this isn't a mistake. I could bet here also, but I think I get in over my head betting in these spots more often than I'm ahead and loving life.

Turn is ??? if we call, are we folding to a shove OTR? If we aren't folding river should we just shove now? I don't really like any option, but I guess calling is slightly better. Maybe we could save some money by getting some kind of information OTR, or maybe he doesn't shove and we can call, or of course binking a d. I still hate it.

Odds having the right suited cards is low, especially since the best hand he can have is a jack flush. You bet on the flop. Bad players believe that nobody bets with a draw on the flop, because you wait until you hit your hand, then bet hard. I think you're mostly chopping here.

That means we’re free rolling. Easy for villain to have Jd and call it off. I think jam does better vs station

I'd fold pre.

I'd X/C flop.

I'd call turn, might fold river unimproved.

He donked flop and turn and x/called a large bet and a jam for slightly more than that bet on the river. He donked pretty sizeably both times (around 1/2 pot).

Grunch.

I would fold from LJ, but open from HJ pre.

This seems like one of the best hands to check otf, especially three ways. You could probably make an argument got betting flop HU versus a station though.

I would just call the turn. If we're raising, we're shoving. It's virtually impossible for him to have a set, and even a station could find a fold with two pair on this board. We get called by a chop and a flush. I would also expect him to be more likely to check-call a jam otr with two pair rather than a raise shove on the turn.

Need to remember button is in hand too and both villains called on the flop. Therefore, one of the two could easily have had flush draw on flop with any sort of middle/low suited connector/one gapper (and main V apparently could be in the hand with anything on the flop, such as some random j/9-x of diamonds).

I'd opt for pot control and call turn but not loving it at all. You could even argue for a very snug fold but I could basically never fold in that spot.

I fold pre, this hand is too weak to open. CO would be OK but not EP even in 6 max.

Flop is a x from me, I want fold equity to bet draws and broadways smash bad villain's calling ranges. I bet this with monster draws or two pair+ only.

Turn is a trivial call. We are probably chopping and a shove is a bluff into a guy who is never folding.

River, not sure what I'm doing to a shove really. I guess he can see the flush too so I probably fold. I think the expert play is to river a diamond.

Definitely. V donks when he has a good hand. He obviously hit the straight and no way is ever folding, especially when he called it off with nothing more than an overpair last time. Jam and he wont even think twice about your holding.

I rarely say this, but fold pre.

6-max, I prob fold from HJ and LJ against tougher tables but against a softer table don't mind an open...

flop could go either way but betting is prob fine with the station in the hand.

turn, its only a PSB left after the large donk, I'd prob jam and hope to freeroll Jx, yeah sometimes the third player has the flush, but your more likely freerolling against standard bad LLSNL players

Results.

Yeah I figured a freeroll was likely and I jammed. Sadly he had J8dd.

That's pretty sick. I'd ask myself "would this V ever lead rep bluff a flush depending on the previous action?". If the answers no, then I think you could have gotten away from this. If he's the kinda player that will bluff with just one high diamond in there hand then it's another story.

What's even worse if you do figure V for a flush, there's 2 less cards to help make yours .

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