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2/5 straddled put turn decision against LAG 2/5 straddled put turn decision against LAG

11-13-2018 , 07:50 PM
2/5 with the $10 straddle on. $900 effective stacks.

Villain (UTG) mid 20s white guy, loose aggressive and has been 3 betting at an above average frequency. Post flop he is aggressive but not spewy and I haven't seen him get OOL.

Hero's image is loose aggressive, maybe I am perceived as being a little bit on tilt because I have lost a few big pots recently, one calling and mucking river, one folding to a jam on river. Blinds are both tight passive. That said I can see the argument for folding pre flop but I'd rather focus on the post flop action. Anyway OTTH.

Folds to hero on button with 96
Hero raises to $40
Fold to villain in straddle who 3 bets to $110
Hero calls.

Flop ($230) 6d 2s 3d
Villain bets $130
Hero calls

Turn ($490) 4h
Villain bets $200
Hero?
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11-13-2018 , 08:01 PM
Maybe jam if your image was a little better.

Probably fold.
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11-13-2018 , 09:07 PM
Calling, and playing river.
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11-14-2018 , 01:34 AM
Fold, but I don't think this is a situation where you can reasonably ask that we ignore preflop. Like the question here is "so I raised with junk vs a LAG guy who threebets a lot and he threebet me, also I can't make any moves on him because my image is torched, how best to handle this situation?". The answer is that there is no good option because you have a bad hand and no ability to bluff, and that this spot was completely forseeable before you acted preflop.
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11-14-2018 , 02:10 AM
Your raise pre is a smidge too big for my liking given that we are opening on the button vs a competent straddler.

Fold to 3bet pre.
Call flop.
Fold to turn bet barring reads.
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11-14-2018 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Fold, but I don't think this is a situation where you can reasonably ask that we ignore preflop. Like the question here is "so I raised with junk vs a LAG guy who threebets a lot and he threebet me, also I can't make any moves on him because my image is torched, how best to handle this situation?". The answer is that there is no good option because you have a bad hand and no ability to bluff, and that this spot was completely forseeable before you acted preflop.
+1
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11-14-2018 , 11:15 AM
Flop raise is to big $30 will more than suffice.

Folding to 3 bet is easy and your largest mistake.

Flop must call.

Turn: His range is still super wide. With massive amount of bluffs and semi bluffs. Definitely fold pre if we are not continuing here.
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11-14-2018 , 01:23 PM
How tight is the sb, and what do you think straddles 3b % is vs btn?
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11-14-2018 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Nikolaishvets
2/5 with the $10 straddle on. $900 effective stacks.

Villain (UTG) mid 20s white guy, loose aggressive and has been 3 betting at an above average frequency. Post flop he is aggressive but not spewy and I haven't seen him get OOL.

Hero's image is loose aggressive, maybe I am perceived as being a little bit on tilt because I have lost a few big pots recently, one calling and mucking river, one folding to a jam on river. Blinds are both tight passive. That said I can see the argument for folding pre flop but I'd rather focus on the post flop action. Anyway OTTH.

Folds to hero on button with 96
Hero raises to $40
Fold to villain in straddle who 3 bets to $110
Hero calls.

Flop ($230) 6d 2s 3d
Villain bets $130
Hero calls

Turn ($490) 4h
Villain bets $200
Hero?
Was his 3b sizing normally here? Standard less than 3x? I expect bigger sizing from Broadway hands, this feels like a good pair imo. dont mind your button sizing per the straddle, but this is not an ideal flop obv. You fold out the tight passive players, but now you have top pair on a short board drawing light. You can call the turn but you're going to face a river shove if he's got a brain so you're just bluff catching.
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11-14-2018 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
How tight is the sb, and what do you think straddles 3b % is vs btn?
SB is very tight

I would estimate the straddles 3b vs BTN % to be around 20%, although maybe a little higher against me in particular.

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Originally Posted by hart
Was his 3b sizing normally here?
Yes, this is his standard sizing.
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11-14-2018 , 10:55 PM
Pre ez fold.

Flop call is fine

Turn if we get here prob a call, we have decent equity vs overpairs and we are beating all diamond draws/Ax, and we can bluff shove diamonds
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11-15-2018 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Nikolaishvets
SB is very tight

I would estimate the straddles 3b vs BTN % to be around 20%, although maybe a little higher against me in particular.
Yea, this is along what I would have figured. So you typically don’t want to limp btn in a 3 blind game but if sb is going to overfold anyway and villain is 3balling 1 in 5 hands you can start limping buttons. It’s really hard to play against and for certain hands that I wanted to take to flops I’d start limping or at least min opening (both very non standard but w/e).

I’d probably start with min and depending on how sb/bb react and on what sizing UTG chooses for 3b I might go to the limp.
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11-16-2018 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Yea, this is along what I would have figured. So you typically don’t want to limp btn in a 3 blind game but if sb is going to overfold anyway and villain is 3balling 1 in 5 hands you can start limping buttons. It’s really hard to play against and for certain hands that I wanted to take to flops I’d start limping or at least min opening (both very non standard but w/e).

I’d probably start with min and depending on how sb/bb react and on what sizing UTG chooses for 3b I might go to the limp.
That's an interesting idea, it's the kind of adjustment that I'm used to making in a heads up game against a very aggressive 3 bettor. But I can definitely see it having merit in this situation with the blinds being so passive.

If anyone cares, I ended up jamming the turn which I'm not sure was a good play. My thinking at the time was that I was ahead of AK/AQ/AJ/KQ a lot and wanted to get him to fold his equity, plus prevent myself from having to make a tough call on a scary river (although if he did have overcards it would have been better to flat, snap off the third barrel, and ride the variance). The other thought on my mind was that in the unlikely event he had a middle overpair like 88/99 then my best chance for fold equity would be to jam turn and hope the 4-straight would be enough to scare him off, although I'm not sure how often that bluff gets through against this particular LAG. Overall I think this was a bad bet that mostly gets calls when we're behind and folds when we're ahead.

As it turned out, he had T6s (which was probably one of the few hands that my bluff was actually optimal against, but ended up tanking for a very long time and eventually making what was a very bad call IMO. In any case, I binked the 3-outer on the river and scooped the pot after which he and a couple other players left the table.
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11-17-2018 , 12:46 AM
Lol. Why in the world would people leave after seeing a hand like that play out. I’d be texting my gf to not expect me till early morning.
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