2/5 - $1k max buy, Hero has just gotten a table transfer from a reg infested game. Maybe 10 mins into new table so very limited reads.

V1 is MAAW watching some type of YouTube on her phone. Never played with before.

Hero is the effective stack with $560.

OTTH: V1 limps, one late position limper, Hero raises to $30 on the button with AK. Blinds fold, V1 quickly calls, limper calls.

Flop ($90): A 7 8
Checks to Hero, who bets $50. V1 raises to $175, limper folds. Hero calls.

Turn ($440): A 7 8 3
V1 leads for $300. We have $355 left. Trivial stack off given this action? How do you range V1? Does it matter that we made a button raise, and that it's our first raise at this table?

Not trivial but can't be terrible on such a wet board either. My inclination is fold unless villain seems particularly aggressive but it's a live read situation. Your hand looks exactly like what it is but villain can be doing this with good draws also.

I expect two pair/sets/big draws being most of villain's range. The question is judging how many draws villain does have. Can they turn up with nut flush draws? Do they ever do this with JsTs or T9 that are not spades? Is the low end draws in their range? Do they have any pure bluffs in their range? You also need to consider what hands other then 88/77 can villain have. What two pair (if any) do they have? Most will have 87 suited but what about 87o or A8/A7?

Making a button raise opens up villain's range for calling preflop but the flop/turn action is very strong. It being your first raise probably doesn't make much since you have not been at the table long.

Folding flop, or stacking off all non spade turns. Flop raises on these Ax boards are generally fairly strong. So I don't mind a fold until we have a read. Also don't think calling flop and gii on all non spade turns is a leak either.

Calling flop folding turn seems like worst option.

If you called flop you can't fold turn here when everything bricked. V has too much Axss and other combo draws to fold. Sometimes they have it, feels like we gotta pay it off on this one...

Villain has all 2 pairs, 77, 88, Ax of spades.
In my experience a lot of people who watch something on their phone are mostly kinda straight forward and not the aggressive bluffy type players. More on the passive site.
Folding feels weak but i think it is the best option against such a player. Dont think she does that with worse aces. Against all other hands we are in bad shape or have a flip against combo draws.

A8o/A7o/78o seem like unlikely limp/calls....but people are also very stupid, so it is possible.

Ya i agree it is unlikely but possible.
Anyways i mean the possible suited combos.

Agree. I forgot to mention that V1 was UTG+1. I'm not giving her all the combos of A8, A7, 78. Maybe just the suited combos at most. She was not priced in as she was first to call. She could be limp calling light but it doesn't seem likely we should include all those combos. Certainly sets and combo draws play this line. Ax as well. When the flop bet gets called I think it's pretty thin for just a straight draw to make this move on the turn. But again, not much with reads since I just recently sat.

Thanks all for feedback so far.

I'd probably just fold flop, people underbluff-raise flop cbets with Ax, especially multiway. And if they do they have a nutted combo draw, so mostly you'll see two pair/sets + combo draws here and your equity sucks.

fold flop

fold turn

I already know I am going to say snap fold at some point.

Yup

Meh I dunno, I see way too many people c/r AQ or AJ in this spot. Which would line up with the limp/call pre. They shouldn't, but they do. And even video watching women will raise things like Axss, T9ss, 65ss etc.

OTF we're behind 7 combos of sets, probably only 3 combos of 87s, and 2 combos of A8s or A7s. I'll be generous and give her 4 more combos of unsuited two pair hands.

That's 16 combos we're behind. I think we can easily find 16 combos we're beating on the flop, and we don't even need 16 combos. If we had AJ here I snap fold, AQ is a much closer question, but AK is a call.

So call flop is fine, and then when turn is the brickiest of bricks we have to go with it.

yuk im folding to the flop c/r. Its not my standard play but its a woman watching youtube on her phone :/

Can someone elaborate on the MAAW watching videos stereotype? I've almost never played against these players.

I would think on such a wet board with 2 opponents, we should be (1) cbetting bigger, and (2) jamming the flop if check-raised to deny equity to semi-bluffs, assuming we still have enough behind for decent FE - depends on the size of opponent's check-raise which is out of our control.

I don't think just a weaker ace would check-raise here, but all suited spade aces certainly could be playing this way, as can lower flush draws, straight draws, and combo draws.

A7/A8 would be gross, but we're not too far behind 7-8. Sets against TPTK on this coordinated of a board, I'd stack off and consider it a cooler.

But that again brings us to this MAAW stereotype that I don't quite understand.

Generally someone who is relatively straight-forward with their hands relative strength to the board, not really paying attention to the game, face up, assigning somewhat of a range to other players etc. If your 2/5 player pool isn't at least a third of that description... Tough life

I'd stick it in on flop.

^ Classic spewtard. Thinks Asian ladies are playing back at him.

yeah. have to stack off if you call the flop.

wouldn't have called the flop raise.

Thanks for all the feedback. Sounds like I need to be careful about overcalling in these spots. Is it really that easy to get AK to fold with a x/r on an Axx board? Does anyone try this as a bluff? I'll admit, the flop decision was the toughest decision for me. I just couldn't come up with many combos that she should have there and given how wet the board was I felt folding was super exploitable.

Since she was clearly distracted I didn't expect her to limp call much A8, A7, 78. Maybe a hand full of suited combos. I also expect some of her 88 to raise pre. AA should also be betting or limp / re-raising, plus I block it. Axss and T9 seemed like more than enough combos to balance calling against her limp call range. Good food for thought though. The hand that really made sense was 77. If there weren't so many draws that hit a limp call range maybe I can get away.

Results:

yeah. that is the nature of LLHE. Many times you don't know where you are at because your opponent does not know where they are at. So, you just have to pick a side and ride the variance train.

With these stacks it's going to be extremely rare for someone to fold AK on the flop on this board unless there's like 8 people in the hand and the chance that someone has 2p+ goes way up. Given the action, I'd say no, it's hardly ever going to happen. If you were 300+ bb deep and V went nuts with a c/r flop, bomb turn, jam river line, you could consider it if you haven't seen them get out of line before with combo draws, but that's not what's going on in this hand.

V just has way too much random Ax and combo draws to fold here. Sometimes they have a set and it's kind of a cooler with this board texture, but I'm not too worried about that for under 200bb

I tend to agree as the results show. Just pointing out that I got more fold flop responses than I expected and it's worth some extra thought. 4 people were definitely folding flop here out of about 8 that mention the flop decision specifically. My follow up thought is naturally if we can get AK to fold 50%+ of the time on a wet Axx board with a c/r we can print money with any reasonable drawing hand. Not that I'm going to try that as I'm generally nitty.

Some people will try it as a bluff. But no it's not and that's why flopping sets is so profitable at low stakes. Knowing when to fold TPTK is a vital poker skill in the long run. Depending on villain this situation can be anything from easy shove (vs spewy or draw happy villains) to trivial fold (set mining rocks and nits).

Against certain villains who will take one stab and then give up consistently you can safely fold on the turn but a good portion of aggressive one will carry through when they raise the flop with a draw. As it turns out none of that applies vs your random fish.

What to do against a fish like you have here is just a matter of learning their behavior. Against real fish that don't have any real strategy you just have to learn how they play and how to counter it. Villain's play here is silly from a theoretical stance. But that itself makes it hard to play against in some ways because you can't analyze their play, there is no logic behind it.