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Old 05-21-2018, 03:04 PM   #26
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Re: 2/5 squeeze spot

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(1) He's not a thinking player because he third overlimped and then cold called 20bb with the action still open. Literally ONLY bad players take that line.

(2) If he has any idea at all how to play, he will know that there is little point in bluffing into a dry sidepot. We will basically never be in a tough spot postflop.
So, (1) he's a bad player, so doesn't that mean (2) he could easily bluff a dry side pot?
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Old 05-21-2018, 03:06 PM   #27
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Re: 2/5 squeeze spot

I still can't imagine letting a bad player (or any player) in the hand with two random cards and praying we are the one who hits the flop, not him.
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Old 05-21-2018, 03:26 PM   #28
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Re: 2/5 squeeze spot

Calling with slightly larger than a PSB to play fit or fold just seems so silly without a nutted hand. If you think you're ahead or flipping with his range, you jam. If you don't (I would never think you're not ahead of his range besides a passively played AK), then just fold and move on. This whole thread feels like people are scared of variance. If LJ did this with AA/KK/AK then good for him. You take your lump and move on. Otherwise, this is always at least a marginally +EV spot at worst.
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Old 05-21-2018, 04:15 PM   #29
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Re: 2/5 squeeze spot

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@mdelore: You don't want him to fold his equity with AJ. The 15%-20% you both hit the Ace, you win an extra $400, plus make some money on QJxxx boards. The value of getting HU with the tilter is overstated. You will still lose the pot most of the time when you do not improve, and when you do improve, you will win a lot less.

Maybe people don't agree on the cold caller's range. I'm working from a range of 66-JJ, AT, AJ, KQ, a few combos of weaker suited Aces, KJs, sometimes lol JTs, and a few combos of traps/tard-played QQ+/AK. People who don't believe someone who THIRD LIMPED and then cold called 20bb can have AJo aren't playing the same game as me. Of all possible hands, imo AJ is the MOST likely.
That is true about AJ, KQ type hands. Overall I think it is a pretty clear flat in this case to keep V's worse hands in. Letting him see flop with random cards isn't really an issue since V's pretty constrained by the other all in player.
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Old 05-21-2018, 04:28 PM   #30
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Re: 2/5 squeeze spot

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So, (1) he's a bad player, so doesn't that mean (2) he could easily bluff a dry side pot?
Limp/cold-calling is indicative of badness, but a different kind than bluffing into a dry side pot. Bluffing into a dry side pot is more of a maniac play, whereas limp/coldcall types tend to continue their passivity postflop.
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Old 05-21-2018, 04:36 PM   #31
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That is true about AJ, KQ type hands. Overall I think it is a pretty clear flat in this case to keep V's worse hands in. Letting him see flop with random cards isn't really an issue since V's pretty constrained by the other all in player.
Unfortunately, the equation isn't that simple. You guys are neglecting the increased equity you have in the pot by getting him to possibly fold pairs 55-JJ when you shove. You were the OR here so a 4b shove is going to fold out a lot of the hands you're flipping with here. There's been nothing that's occurred pre up to this point that precludes you from having QQ+ when you shove. If he calls with any of those smaller pairs, you're still in good shape regardless. If he calls with AJs/ATs/KQs then even better. I think the chance for equity denial is going to be a lot more substantial than targeting AJ or KQ and hoping you both hit a shared card on the flop.
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