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07-03-2013 , 01:00 PM

Backstroker41

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Aria 2/5 game

Both villains and I are probably $1k deep. V1 is a good 2/5 reg, 25-30 y.o....can hand read and probably capable of leveraging position, light raises, etc. V2 is a level 1 girl-fish, 40 y.o., doesn't know how to fold TP.

V1 raises $20 UTG.
V2 calls on BTN.
HERO calls in SB w/ A

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($67) K

HERO donks $45. V1 calls. V2 folds.

($157) 8

Hero?

Preflop, I felt that V1 was capable of making good folds based on table dynamics and V2 was pretty light, so she probably isn't calling a squeeze.

Who likes to donk on the flop? What turn lines are we taking when one or both villains call (under the assumption that we're doing it for value)?

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07-03-2013 , 01:19 PM

ikestoys

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I like the donk on the flop given preflop but the fact v2 calls light is a reason to 3bet not flat

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07-03-2013 , 01:21 PM

matzah_ball

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Bet $100ish.

Since we're OOP, I'd always 3bet pre. Flatting can be okay sometimes but I'd much rather do it in position.

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07-03-2013 , 01:26 PM

Pay4Myschool

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

I like the donk on the flop given preflop but the fact v2 calls light is a reason to 3bet not flat

+1

I also like 3betting though because its likely villain has a strong hand preflop since he raised UTG. OTT I probably just keep donking away.

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07-03-2013 , 01:27 PM

dark_hatchling

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raise pf .. you said yourself V2 can't fold TP so they probably aren't folding to a mild raise after limping. your oop too. AP I follow on basically any turn cards. bet/fold.

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07-03-2013 , 01:31 PM

ikestoys

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I like flatting AA if you are deep and think villain will put you in tough spots, but you really aren't in that situation.

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07-03-2013 , 01:55 PM

Pay4Myschool

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

I like flatting AA if you are deep and think villain will put you in tough spots, but you really aren't in that situation.

Doesn't 1K begin the threshold where it's considered deep?

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07-03-2013 , 02:02 PM

ikestoys

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Well, deep yeah, but not deep enough

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07-03-2013 , 02:13 PM

Backstroker41

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Alright, well preflop, I felt that V1 was folding most of the time based on table dynamics....and, although V2 was a passive "I play my hands face up" fish with bet sizing tells, she wasn't so loose that she was flatting 2 and 3bets....she's really only calling 3b's with hands that she's opening.

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07-03-2013 , 02:16 PM

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ikestoys

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but she didn't have a chance to open

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07-03-2013 , 02:50 PM

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pokerodox

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There are 3 combos of KK that crush you. 6 combos of AK that you dominate. Bet/fold. Bet/Fold. Bet/fold. All three streets. Unless villain is super tricky, then you may have to bet/call one street. But that would be the exception. All the AQ, QQ, JJ hands you don't get much value from, but they really don't matter either way. Just bet, bet, bet to get value from the AK combos.

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07-03-2013 , 03:05 PM

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GTL

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Originally Posted by pokerodox

Ding ding ding. Only other option is letting him c bet hoping she calls and check raising but in most 2-5 games now Adams you're better off just betting three streets for value.

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07-03-2013 , 03:18 PM

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bschr04

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Really don't like leading the flop. Much prefer going for a c/r.

I think leading would be really good if the relative positions were switched (you, then v2, then PFR).

Also having AA in your C/R range is pretty awesome as part of a larger game-plan.

As played, keep betting...

Last edited by bschr04; 07-03-2013 at 03:41 PM.

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07-03-2013 , 04:42 PM

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Pony_law

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I like leading the flop because you want Villain 1 to raise you on all of his TPGK+ hands. even if Villain 1 is competent enough to know how strong that is V2 likely isn't ad will call off her money with top pair.

going for a c/r is okay but I'd want more info on Villain's c-bet frequency because he might not in a multi-way wet flop that smacks both Villains ranges one of which is a calling station.

I'd Bet 115 on the turn and then bet river 250 on the river. My bet sizing on the river probably changes if a diamond falls.

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07-05-2013 , 05:52 PM

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Backstroker41

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Originally Posted by pokerodox

Bet/fold. Bet/Fold. Bet/fold. All three streets. Unless villain is super tricky, then you may have to bet/call one street. But that would be the exception.

I'd definitely have to re-evaluate depending when the raise came....but I don't think I'd ever be folding to a flop raise.

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Originally Posted by bschr04

Really don't like leading the flop. Much prefer going for a c/r.

I think leading would be really good if the relative positions were switched (you, then v2, then PFR).

I agree. I think donking is better if V1 is last to act.

On the turn, I bet ~$100....V1 folded. Is he floating enough on the flop for me to let him peel a card and/or bet the turn? Or am I being results oriented and bet/bet/bet is still best?

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