I was not Hero in this hand but was at the table so I may be slightly off on bet amounts / action but the point should be the same. Saturday night action game. Hero is an young-ish action LAG in late position. Villain is also youngish LAGish player who has clearly been drinking but hasn't gotten out of line.

OTTH: Game is 2/5, $1k max buy. Hero is the effective stack with ~$850. Hero limps 97o in late position. Villain raises to $30 on the button. EP call, Hero call.

Flop (~$90 after rake): T98
Checks to Hero who checks, V bets $55. Only Hero calls.

Turn ($200): T983
Hero checks, V makes it $125, Hero calls.

River ($450): T9832
Hero best $300, V immediately jams and has Hero covered. Are we committed? Do we have to call it off here? Is this whole hand spew? Is hero bluff catching or punting here with a call?

This entire hand is horrible. It's a close race between whether PF or river is the most atrocious.

- wish hero had topped up

- fold pre (or sometimes raise)

- need better reads to determine post flop line. what do we know other than he's youngish, LAGish, and drinking (ish)?

- i'm guessing V showed up with some kind of air. generally speaking the way hero played this hand is spewy. but again, need reads. if we don't have any beyond what's in OP, i'd rather c/r flop. AP, fold turn.

no. fold river AP.

I don't know, I think I hate the flop and turn calls more than I hate either the preflop or river play. (I think a hand like this should be a raise or fold at some point before we see the river.)

I didn't see the read. I mean, V wasn't playing every hand and never showed down less than TP. I didn't put V on QJ so I guess he over played it.
But even if it was JJ or a set or AA, I cant imagine finding a call with 97o there. Cant imagine getting to the river at all. Maybe Hero saw something I didn't see but I expected Hero to have at least 2 pair to be able to call there. Whole table was arguing whether or not the call was spew. One player at the table said V had FOS line but he still would have folded. Hero didn't give any specifics on how he came to his read.

Just wanted to confirm that Hero was way out of line. The crazy part though of course was that he was good and scooped the $1700+ pot with second pair no kicker.

This hand history makes my soul cry


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Didn’t we just have another hand where Hero l/c 97o from the CO vs. BTN raise?

Stop fk’n doing that people seriously.

sometimes the leveling war takes place below level 0

more seriously though, pretty standard LAG vs LAG stuff. if you have reads almost anything can be right in poker. maybe they had history. probably not. not too much to learn here other than how not to play 97 preflop.

C- hand all the way around, only that high because you won the hand. I don't know what you're doing preflop or betting the river, but at least you called because I think a lag is going to be tempted to bluff you when you don't represent a lot of strong hands. Calling the river seems fine if he's not raising his one pair value hands.

Agreed, except for me this didn't seem standard (though maybe it should have). I guess two of my takeaways from this hand are:
1 - I need to be calling wider vs LAGs with TP type hands
2 - I need to be betting way more for value against LAGs

It just seems like when I'm in the hand with them it's the one time they always have it...

I did not win the hand, I observed the hand and attempted to replay it from the winners perspective who I called Hero. And I don't follow your last point in bold?

Lol I agree. But sometimes I getz bored johnny!

I think he's just saying that his river raise is more polarized if he's not making this raise with a 1p hand. Meaning he's going have either a nutted hand or a missed draw (which there are plenty of). If you can rule out V having 1p hands then missed draws now make up a larger portion of his range, thus more of his range that hero beats with his pair.

Personally I think this is a prime example of clicking buttons and spewing, but it's impossible for us to know what the dynamics and reads were between the two at the table.

Oh ok, I understand the logic. I guess I didn't have Vs range on a lot of 1p hands given his line. In retrospect I guess we should keep the 4 overpairs in his range, but when he raises river it looked stronger than 1p. Funny part was any of those 1p hands would have scooped. Would love to be on the good side of this train wreck some time in the future.