hero (500): first orbit, no image really, haven't played much
villain 1 (155): just got sat after hero. asian, sunglasses, gucci hat, the kind that has Gs all over it. in his 20's. he must have played a hand or two but had bought in for min.
villain 2 (400): older guy, no reads really.

hero raises utg to 20 with tt.
villain 2 utg1 calls
folds to villain 1, sb, who ships for 155.

hero?

seems like kind of a close spot, arguments for folding or calling. since he is unknown hard to range him, but i'm ahead of a lot. and i'm pretty sure villain 2 is folding if i flat here.

Yeah it's a close spot with V2 still to act behind. I don't think we can be worried about V2 flatting your opening raise with a monster. I think I probably call V1's shove. Generally when people buy in for min they are looking to gamble pre flop and I think his range can be fairly wide here and I don't mind flipping for 40bb.

If we are going to play this pot, then we need to make sure that V2 folds. We can't leave it to chance. Hero needs to re-shove in order to isolate against V1.

I feel the exact opposite.

If V2 happens to have a monster, he's going to get the money in regardless. So, us shoving just isolates the strongest part of his range anyway. We are never folding out JJ/AK here.
So, we should just flat.
We might even induce him to shove wider if we just flat.

What is our plan if V2 flats? We will be playing a large bloated pot out-of-position with 1 psb left. ~2/3 of the time at least one over card is going to hit the flop. This is going to put hero in a really tough spot, especially if V is a thinking player.

V2 has already declined to 3-bet. We should shove for value, and to prevent a very tricky post flop decision, if V2 decides to flat our call.

FWIW...I do agree that shoving TT in this spot is high variance. I would also attempt to get some kind of read from V2 before effectuating this play.

i like calling also then just shove any flop.

So flop comes AK8 & u shove? Why? Why not get it in before that if you know youre shoving the flop? If V2 flats too he could do so w hands that he would have folded with pre-flop if you shoved but are now beating you...

It's shovel or fold here, & i lean towards shove.

Also if you just flat, if V2 has a monster he might shove pre-flop... If you shall hear you at least get him off of AQ or maybe even AK

Sorry my voice text sucks...so some of those words typed wrong... But you can figure out my point very easily

Shove.

Old guy can still fold better (probably only JJ, but OMC's aren't wild about GII w/QQ either) and flips.

I agree, if he is flatting JJ, he will fold them to an all-in

An UTG raise is pretty strong, its not like you are raising from the BTN.

So his shove is most likely going to be 99+, AK, AQ

against this range we have roughly 44%

remove the 99 and we drop to 40% equity .

If we widen his range to include AJ and 88 then we are at 50%...

We raise 20, V ships it 155 and is fairly new-ish to the table. I'm 100% fine with a fold here. Vast majority of the time the "best" we can hope for is to be up against two overs. Now, if this was his 3rd or 4th ship within an hour, then you can make a better case for calling with TT. But since he is new to the table, and this is his first ship AND we raised from UTG... I'm 100% fine with a fold here given we've only vested $20 and he overship the pot significantly at we are probably a 40% dog vs his range.

So yeah, this is a ho-hum-shrug-fold.

Obviously depends on what you range V for. But I think even if we are optimistic with our ranging, we are too close to 0EV for me to want to shove for $155 when I only bet $20. Or put another way, I'm not a big fan of big bets in 0EV breakeven spots when I hardly have any money vested at all. I mean, if we are talking a $1k pot and we have $200 behind and are facing a 0EV decision, that is one thing. But on the reverse side of that, I don't like being on the small end of a pot facing a HUGE bet merely to "hope" to breakeven in a 0EV spot. So whenever that is the situation, I'm a big fan of just shrug folding. And I think this is definitely a ho-hum shrug fold without a second thought.

Again, back to ranging, if you put us at 50% equity then meh, we do have the math to make the call. But if you weigh the scale to us being a 40% dog, then meh, too close to 0EV for me to feel like calling his shove.

I'm with dgiharris on this. Our edge is not in doing flips as poker players. Guys who do this with weakish hands do this frequently. You'll find out soon whether you should call or not. There are a couple of noobs who do this with something like JJ to prevent anyone from calling, too.

DGI and venice are dead on, as usual. Gucci had aces.