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Old 03-26-2019, 12:42 AM   #1
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2/5 set of 777

2/5 effective 550.
+25 splash pot. (Usually creates a lot of action)

7 handed.
UTG tight ABC reg opens to 20. Hero BUT 77 calls. BB fish calls.
(87) Flop K72dss
X utg bets 40. Hero raises to 140. Fold fold.

How do yíall feel about this raise size here?
I was thinking about making it 90 because our opponent range contains so much air we could make it look like weíre just trying to fold that out?
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Old 03-26-2019, 12:47 AM   #2
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Re: 2/5 set of 777

What suits were your 7’s? If one was a spade I don’t hate just flatting here and hoping V raises the turn again, then get the raise in. It’s a super dry board minus the spade draw.
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Old 03-26-2019, 12:53 AM   #3
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Re: 2/5 set of 777

I like the flat pre. Flatting a ton in this situation because ABC reg doesnít seem to understand that the extra dead $ in the middle means we have to make it bigger. And obv thereís a fish in.

Iíd counter and say that heís continuing for 140 at around the same frequency as 90. Of course some people will sniff out that the raise is overkill for folding out QJ or some value bet folds like 88 and make tight lay downs.

I do agree that we should consider not raising on this texture with much at all. Like we have a set or a flush draw right? Thereís a lot more flush draws than sets available.


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Old 03-26-2019, 01:04 AM   #4
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Re: 2/5 set of 777

Whoops. I realized after posting that the 7 on the flop is a spade. I’m pretty sleepy atm.
Still don’t mind flatting the flop some of the time here, though most will likely disagree.
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Old 03-26-2019, 03:32 AM   #5
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Re: 2/5 set of 777

Looks fine

I think 90 raise would be pretty poor
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Old 03-26-2019, 08:03 AM   #6
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Re: 2/5 set of 777

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2/5 effective 550.
+25 splash pot. (Usually creates a lot of action)

7 handed.
UTG tight ABC reg opens to 20. Hero BUT 77 calls. BB fish calls.
(87) Flop K72dss
X utg bets 40. Hero raises to 140. Fold fold.

How do yíall feel about this raise size here?
I was thinking about making it 90 because our opponent range contains so much air we could make it look like weíre just trying to fold that out?
Why would you think a tight ABC UTG pre raiser would have so much air continuing 3-way?

$100 on top typically is a tell of strength, so I'd opt to go smaller.
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Old 03-26-2019, 09:52 PM   #7
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Re: 2/5 set of 777

Just call the flop. If he doesn’t have a pair we want him to catch up and if he has Kx or a draw he will barrel the turn. Also I have a feeling you’re super unbalanced here and just raising your sets while calling your FDs. Just call your whole range.
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Old 03-26-2019, 09:58 PM   #8
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Whoops. I realized after posting that the 7 on the flop is a spade. Iím pretty sleepy atm.
Still donít mind flatting the flop some of the time here, though most will likely disagree.
We want the 7 to be a . It gives us slightly more equity because now we can boat up OTT on a . If the 7 was NOT a then we couldnít boat up on OTT with a
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Old 03-26-2019, 10:12 PM   #9
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We want the 7 to be a . It gives us slightly more equity because now we can boat up OTT on a . If the 7 was NOT a then we couldnít boat up on OTT with a


King is diamond
7 and 2 are spades.

Is it confusing how Iím writing it? I get this feedback a lot.

ABChss

Means Ah Bs Cs

I could write it AhBsCs if thatís easier?
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Old 03-26-2019, 10:19 PM   #10
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I think the raise and size is good as he’s a straight forward tight ABC player. If he’s the type of guy to fire again on the turn after he misses the flop then a flat might Ben better. Against this guy we’re probably only making money off of him if he actually has a hand so raising is the play.
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Old 03-26-2019, 11:03 PM   #11
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Re: 2/5 set of 777

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King is diamond
7 and 2 are spades.

Is it confusing how Iím writing it? I get this feedback a lot.

ABChss

Means Ah Bs Cs

I could write it AhBsCs if thatís easier?
What youíre doing is normal...many people do it in that way. Could even use the actual pictures if you wanted.
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Old 03-26-2019, 11:16 PM   #12
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Re: 2/5 set of 777

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King is diamond
7 and 2 are spades.

Is it confusing how Iím writing it? I get this feedback a lot.

ABChss

Means Ah Bs Cs

I could write it AhBsCs if thatís easier?
I usually just put the symbol so itís easier but I understand what you did now.
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Old 03-26-2019, 11:17 PM   #13
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Re: 2/5 set of 777

I just call w fish in play.

Not confusing how you wrote it.
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Old 03-26-2019, 11:21 PM   #14
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I also don’t raise utg pfr cbet on K72, ever.
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Old 03-26-2019, 11:47 PM   #15
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not sure why people want to talk so indepthly about blockers here. it really doesnt matter that much

ABC tight utg probably doesnt even have 87s or A7s in his range.
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Old 03-27-2019, 12:13 AM   #16
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Don't think we should be raising anything on this flop. We only have 77 and maybe 22 for value.
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Old 03-27-2019, 01:20 AM   #17
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2/5 set of 777

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Don't think we should be raising anything on this flop. We only have 77 and maybe 22 for value.


89dd MAYBE??

67dd 78dd?
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Old 03-27-2019, 01:53 AM   #18
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I also donít raise utg pfr cbet on K72, ever.
So are you calling turn and raising riv on clean runouts amana?
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Old 03-27-2019, 02:09 AM   #19
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Re: 2/5 set of 777

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2/5 effective 550.
+25 splash pot. (Usually creates a lot of action)

7 handed.
UTG tight ABC reg opens to 20. Hero BUT 77 calls. BB fish calls.
(87) Flop K72dss
X utg bets 40. Hero raises to 140. Fold fold.

How do y’all feel about this raise size here?
I was thinking about making it 90 because our opponent range contains so much air we could make it look like we’re just trying to fold that out?
Does his <1/2Pot c bet suggest he doesn't have a king? The regs where I play will always go bigger on a two flush board (even K72).

Sizing seems a little big to me. It would make me cry to have him bet/fold KQ or AK here.
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Old 03-27-2019, 02:18 AM   #20
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Sizing seems a little big to me. It would make me cry to have him bet/fold KQ or AK here.

Seems a bit big to me as well. Do u like 90 more? Or maybe 105
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Old 03-27-2019, 02:23 AM   #21
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Seems a bit big to me as well. Do u like 90 more? Or maybe 105
I think you have to use your own judgement based on the specific player and the culture of the game.
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Old 03-27-2019, 04:34 AM   #22
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Re: 2/5 set of 777

Call flop 100%, esp w/ BB fish behind.... raising is bad

Pre can consider 3b vs tag opening to 4x after the splash pot and us being OTB, if BB weren’t a fish. Think most TAGs will fold too many hands here OOP 7-handed and wont 4b wide enough for value or bluff. Probably borderline, 99+ is probably more mandatory
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Old 03-27-2019, 07:51 AM   #23
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Re: 2/5 set of 777

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King is diamond
7 and 2 are spades.

Is it confusing how Iím writing it? I get this feedback a lot.

ABChss

Means Ah Bs Cs

I could write it AhBsCs if thatís easier?
Nah, I was just exhausted at the time. It wasnít confusing. My brain was just working at 5%.
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Old 03-27-2019, 12:27 PM   #24
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So are you calling turn and raising riv on clean runouts amana?
A lot of the time, yes, but also some turn raises depending on some factors.
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Old 03-27-2019, 01:53 PM   #25
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I just wanna point out that this time it’s Amanaplan agreeing with me.
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