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03-26-2019 , 12:42 AM

hyperknit

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2/5 effective 550.
+25 splash pot. (Usually creates a lot of action)

7 handed.
UTG tight ABC reg opens to 20. Hero BUT 77 calls. BB fish calls.
(87) Flop K72dss
X utg bets 40. Hero raises to 140. Fold fold.

How do y’all feel about this raise size here?
I was thinking about making it 90 because our opponent range contains so much air we could make it look like we’re just trying to fold that out?

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03-26-2019 , 12:47 AM

XtraScratch8

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What suits were your 7’s? If one was a spade I don’t hate just flatting here and hoping V raises the turn again, then get the raise in. It’s a super dry board minus the spade draw.

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03-26-2019 , 12:53 AM

jdr0317

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I like the flat pre. Flatting a ton in this situation because ABC reg doesn’t seem to understand that the extra dead $ in the middle means we have to make it bigger. And obv there’s a fish in.

I’d counter and say that he’s continuing for 140 at around the same frequency as 90. Of course some people will sniff out that the raise is overkill for folding out QJ or some value bet folds like 88 and make tight lay downs.

I do agree that we should consider not raising on this texture with much at all. Like we have a set or a flush draw right? There’s a lot more flush draws than sets available.

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03-26-2019 , 01:04 AM

XtraScratch8

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Whoops. I realized after posting that the 7 on the flop is a spade. I’m pretty sleepy atm.
Still don’t mind flatting the flop some of the time here, though most will likely disagree.

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03-26-2019 , 03:32 AM

monikrazy

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Looks fine

I think 90 raise would be pretty poor

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03-26-2019 , 08:03 AM

samo

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Originally Posted by hyperknit

Why would you think a tight ABC UTG pre raiser would have so much air continuing 3-way?

$100 on top typically is a tell of strength, so I'd opt to go smaller.

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03-26-2019 , 09:52 PM

DooDooPoker

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Just call the flop. If he doesn’t have a pair we want him to catch up and if he has Kx or a

draw he will barrel the turn. Also I have a feeling you’re super unbalanced here and just raising your sets while calling your FDs. Just call your whole range.

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03-26-2019 , 09:58 PM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by XtraScratch8

Whoops. I realized after posting that the 7 on the flop is a spade. I’m pretty sleepy atm.
Still don’t mind flatting the flop some of the time here, though most will likely disagree.

We want the 7 to be a

. It gives us slightly more equity because now we can boat up OTT on a

. If the 7 was NOT a

then we couldn’t boat up on OTT with a

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03-26-2019 , 10:12 PM

hyperknit

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

We want the 7 to be a

. It gives us slightly more equity because now we can boat up OTT on a

. If the 7 was NOT a

then we couldn’t boat up on OTT with a

King is diamond
7 and 2 are spades.

Is it confusing how I’m writing it? I get this feedback a lot.

ABChss

Means Ah Bs Cs

I could write it AhBsCs if that’s easier?

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03-26-2019 , 10:19 PM

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BignutzOnerz

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I think the raise and size is good as he’s a straight forward tight ABC player. If he’s the type of guy to fire again on the turn after he misses the flop then a flat might Ben better. Against this guy we’re probably only making money off of him if he actually has a hand so raising is the play.

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03-26-2019 , 11:03 PM

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22dueces22

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Originally Posted by hyperknit

King is diamond
7 and 2 are spades.

Is it confusing how I’m writing it? I get this feedback a lot.

ABChss

Means Ah Bs Cs

I could write it AhBsCs if that’s easier?

What you’re doing is normal...many people do it in that way. Could even use the actual pictures if you wanted.

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03-26-2019 , 11:16 PM

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DooDooPoker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hyperknit

King is diamond
7 and 2 are spades.

Is it confusing how I’m writing it? I get this feedback a lot.

ABChss

Means Ah Bs Cs

I could write it AhBsCs if that’s easier?

I usually just put the

symbol so it’s easier but I understand what you did now.

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03-26-2019 , 11:17 PM

#13

Amanaplan

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I just call w fish in play.

Not confusing how you wrote it.

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03-26-2019 , 11:21 PM

#14

Amanaplan

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I also don’t raise utg pfr cbet on K72, ever.

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03-26-2019 , 11:47 PM

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jc315

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not sure why people want to talk so indepthly about blockers here. it really doesnt matter that much

ABC tight utg probably doesnt even have 87s or A7s in his range.

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03-27-2019 , 12:13 AM

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persianpunisher

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Don't think we should be raising anything on this flop. We only have 77 and maybe 22 for value.

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03-27-2019 , 01:20 AM

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hyperknit

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Originally Posted by persianpunisher

Don't think we should be raising anything on this flop. We only have 77 and maybe 22 for value.

89dd MAYBE??

67dd 78dd?

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03-27-2019 , 01:53 AM

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KID777777

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Originally Posted by Amanaplan

I also don’t raise utg pfr cbet on K72, ever.

So are you calling turn and raising riv on clean runouts amana?

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03-27-2019 , 02:09 AM

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kookiemonster

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Originally Posted by hyperknit

Does his <1/2Pot c bet suggest he doesn't have a king? The regs where I play will always go bigger on a two flush board (even K72).

Sizing seems a little big to me. It would make me cry to have him bet/fold KQ or AK here.

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03-27-2019 , 02:18 AM

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hyperknit

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Originally Posted by kookiemonster

Sizing seems a little big to me. It would make me cry to have him bet/fold KQ or AK here.

Seems a bit big to me as well. Do u like 90 more? Or maybe 105

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03-27-2019 , 02:23 AM

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kookiemonster

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Originally Posted by hyperknit

Seems a bit big to me as well. Do u like 90 more? Or maybe 105

I think you have to use your own judgement based on the specific player and the culture of the game.

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03-27-2019 , 04:34 AM

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Minatorr

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Call flop 100%, esp w/ BB fish behind.... raising is bad

Pre can consider 3b vs tag opening to 4x after the splash pot and us being OTB, if BB weren’t a fish. Think most TAGs will fold too many hands here OOP 7-handed and wont 4b wide enough for value or bluff. Probably borderline, 99+ is probably more mandatory

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03-27-2019 , 07:51 AM

#23

XtraScratch8

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hyperknit

King is diamond
7 and 2 are spades.

Is it confusing how I’m writing it? I get this feedback a lot.

ABChss

Means Ah Bs Cs

I could write it AhBsCs if that’s easier?

Nah, I was just exhausted at the time. It wasn’t confusing. My brain was just working at 5%.

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03-27-2019 , 12:27 PM

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Amanaplan

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Originally Posted by KID777777

So are you calling turn and raising riv on clean runouts amana?

A lot of the time, yes, but also some turn raises depending on some factors.

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03-27-2019 , 01:53 PM

#25

XtraScratch8

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I just wanna point out that this time it’s Amanaplan agreeing with me.

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