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Old 12-30-2013, 09:23 PM   #1
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2/5 Semi-bluff spot

Hero: Has been very quiet on the day. Showed down only 1 hand QQ that got to showdown. This hand was actually against V1 Stack size 560

V1: Plays 2/5 regularly and is right in the middle of tight and loose, however is aggressive. Hero's 1 showdown of the day was against V1 when hero showed QQ to scoop a standard pot. No over cards, check check on the flop, and V b/c the turn and river and mucked. Stack covers all in hand

MP and Button are both Loose, fit or fold V's whose cards are essentially turned up. MP has 200 and Button is on a crazy heater and covers Hero.

V2: Tag player that plays 5/10 often. Stack size 450

UTG: Fold
UTG+1 Hero w/ AQ: Leads for 20
MP: Calls
V1 in HJ: Calls
Button: Calls
V2 in BB: Calls

Flop (100)
64x4x

Checked all the way around

Turn(100)
10

BB: checks
Hero: ?
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Old 12-30-2013, 09:25 PM   #2
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Pushing $65 red chips in the middle.
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Old 12-30-2013, 09:37 PM   #3
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Re: 2/5 Semi-bluff spot

check. Your not repping anything and there's lots of 10's in mp and buttons range.
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Old 12-30-2013, 09:49 PM   #4
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x/c . what hands are in your range when you are checking this flop as pfr and the betting with a T hits the turn (pretty much nothing).
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Old 12-30-2013, 09:56 PM   #5
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Re: 2/5 Semi-bluff spot

As a general rule of thumb, in a multi-way pot at LLSNL, bluffing/semi-bluffing on a t-hi board is burning money, since most combos of Tx (T6o+, Txs) will be played by a loose-passive player, which appear to be the two players behind us.

However, we can make a ridiculously small bet of about $30 as a blocker, since many Vs will blast the pot with TP when a flush draw is on the board, but won't raise if bet into. It is also likely to be called by GSSDs and worse FDs, which are likely not going to bluff OTR if they miss if they are as fit/fold as you described.

V1 may read this as a blocker bet, but with BU and BB behind him I would imagine he won't be suicidal enough to make a move in this spot, especially if MP calls our bet.

However given the detail you've put into the V1 description compared to the other Vs, I'm guessing that you bet about $70 and he called.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:53 PM   #6
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Re: 2/5 Semi-bluff spot

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As a general rule of thumb, in a multi-way pot at LLSNL, bluffing/semi-bluffing on a t-hi board is burning money, since most combos of Tx (T6o+, Txs) will be played by a loose-passive player, which appear to be the two players behind us.
While technically I do agree that it's possible T6 might be played in a raised pot here.
Sure anything is possible at 2/5. But if T6 is in their range here, then there is about 125 other hands in their range also.
So while we can consider it, it just doesn't make a difference as it should all even out.

Also, T6 (even though it's lol unlikely to be honest) it the exact same thing here at KT, you do realize that right? We have the the exact same 15 outs vs both hands. Same as with any 6, any T any PP that isn't 44/66/TT.


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However, we can make a ridiculously small bet of about $30 as a blocker, since many Vs will blast the pot with TP when a flush draw is on the board, but won't raise if bet into. It is also likely to be called by GSSDs and worse FDs, which are likely not going to bluff OTR if they miss if they are as fit/fold as you described.
I do think that making a blocking bet here could be good.
But make sure that you give your self the right odds to hit your draw with your bet if you do.

The other option is to overbet the pot and try to push people off their hands. Like 1.5x the pot. But to be honest, I think both are worse than just check/decide.

We checked the flop and gave up the initiative. After that we just have to hope to get there for cheap. I would check, hope that someone makes a small bet, or that someone bets, and we get a few callers.

If the person that bets is pretty weak we can consider a check/raise (or ship) depending on if we think we can move them off their 1p hand. But that's more V dependent and who calls in between.
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:27 PM   #7
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Re: 2/5 Semi-bluff spot

Why no c bet? As played I am check calling turn depending on sizing etc.
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Old 12-31-2013, 04:27 AM   #8
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Re: 2/5 Semi-bluff spot

Check (call small/fold big)
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Old 12-31-2013, 11:43 AM   #9
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Re: 2/5 Semi-bluff spot

I would also not cbet with 5 players in the hand since any mid+ PP will call and overcards may even float.

on the river, still with 5 people in the hand and our position sucks, but our equity vs any 4 is about 25% but vs a PP its 50 to 65%. adding in fold equity we can lay about 150 on the river if we think they will fold. If someone is slowplaying a 4, its probablay 45 suited rather than A4 and you might even get them off of it with the overbet.

(I think overbetting the pot is much better than check raising, because if someone puts money in with a 4 it's going to be harder to get them off of it if they feel committed).


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Last edited by Playbig2000; 12-31-2013 at 11:52 AM. Reason: adjusted for stack sizes and added additional information based on previous posts
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Old 12-31-2013, 11:49 AM   #10
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Old 12-31-2013, 11:51 AM   #11
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Umm bet? You can have up to 15 outs if you get called. Or do you have no bluffing range?
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