2/5 effective 500.

SB is playing LAG, VPIP~50%.
1 orbit earlier I saw him limp/reraise SB v BB so I presume he is doing this with a somewhat wide range. He’s been caught in a few big bluffs I’ve seen and might be tilting, although he seems under control physically.

BB is hero. I have not played a single hand in the 4 orbits I’ve been at the table.

Folds around to SB limps. Hero BB TThd raise to 20. SB raises to 65. Hero calls.
(130) Flop 842hhd
Sb bets 75. Hero calls.
(280) Turn Kd
Sb bets 220. Hero tank raises to 370 all in.

My thinking here is that this LAG would continue bluffing any bluffs he has here on this turn card, and I was thinking shove is better than a flat call because I don’t think vil will think he has any fold equity in the riv with this SPR and will therefore play perfectly on the riv if I just flat here. Also is he has a draw mine as well get it in now.

Also I think there is an argument for both another raise pre, and a raise on the flop, but I wanted to bluff catch a bit more vs this guy, although it’s a dangerous game with TT.

How would u play this one?


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I would raise the flop. He have already been putting ok money into the pot, and we get a good board for 1010. Alot of turncards can suck for us where we dont know where we are+ described villain can certainly stackoff with worse if we just raise the flop now.

All flushdraws is probably willing to gamble with two cards to come for example.

If he is capable of stacking off lighter than normal preflop, i like a 4 bet/overshove pre as well against a spazzy villain like this. Give him the chance to gamble for it all if he wants to.

Vs this guy I probably go 200/gii pre. Ap we flopped good and kept his range wide pre so now raise/evaluate otf but we may need to be ready to gii on this board. All of his over card combos have decent equity we need to protect against.

Turn makes no sense to me. Why turn our hand into a bluff when we had good equity Vs his range pre and otf? Looks kinda like button clicking.

Agreed I don’t mind the preflop flat to trap but on this flop I think you have to raise it up he can certainly stack off with an 8 or flush draw and you got the dream flop with an overpair

AP I Think I prefer folding to flatting agree to jam it in and pray he didn’t spike the K

Imo, Jam > fold > call. I don't think there's ever a reason to call here. Okay with jamming here but prefer to jam flop or 4!/shove pre against this villain.

WTF better hands are we getting folds from OTT or what worse hands call? He 3b pre, bet 60% psb OTF and now he bombs turn for almost a psb and we think he can still fold better/call with worse? Does he even still have worse in range after that turn bet?

Jamming turn is just clicking buttons and praying he folds.

While I appreciate the comment I think you might be a bit confused about the reasons for betting. Of course getting better to fold and worse to call are the more classic example of betting, but not the only ones. For example we may bet hoping worse hands fold...

If it’s still unclear consider the same hand but v only has 20 behind instead of 150. Now it’s clear that even tho we can never get worse to call, we should still jam if we expect v to play flush draws this way. After all, v will play perfectly on the riv: he will bet his 20 if he makes his flush, and he will c/f if he misses, so it’s prudent to get the 20 in on the turn when he has to call.

Apply the same logic to this hand. Sure we can’t get him off his flush draws, but it’s still better to get the money in now and not let him play perfectly on the riv.


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I just don't know if he is always going to play perfectly on the river. Are you sure he is always check/folding a flush draw if it bricks or folding a hand like A8 if you jam river? I don't hate a jam but a call makes sense. I feel like he can also have bluffs that are not flush draws, and those might decide to barrel it off as well.

I just don’t imagine he would try a bluff of 150 into 700 thinking it would work very often I could be wrong


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Literally the exact reason I gave for raising flop.

Wat?


Range:

Board: 2d8h4hKd
Equity Win Tie
SB 53.38% 52.96% 0.43% { 22+, AKs, QJs, AdQd, AhQh, KdQd, KhQh, AdJd, AhJh, KdJd, KhJh, AdTd, AhTh, KdTd, KhTh, QdTd, QhTh, JdTd, JhTh, Ad9d, Ah9h, Kd9d, Kh9h, Qd9d, Qh9h, Jd9d, Jh9h, Td9d, Th9h, Ad8d, Ah8h, Jd8d, Jh8h, Td8d, Th8h, 9d8d, 9h8h, Ad7d, Ah7h, 8d7d, 8h7h, Ad6d, Ah6h, 7d6d, 7h6h, Ad5d, Ah5h, 6d5d, 6h5h, Ad4d, Ah4h, Ad3d, Ah3h, Ad2d, Ah2h, AKo, KQo }
BB 46.62% 46.19% 0.43% { TdTh }


This is the most ridiculously wide, silly range I could come up with that gives him a ton of flush draws. Draws he only has if he l/rr from SB w/ hands like T8s, 76s, 65s. This range also includes him spaz bluffing all of his lower pps that didn't flop a set. These two groups of hands are the only part of his range we are ahead of. The more flush draw combos/spaz combos you remove, the worse our equity gets.

And seriously, if we are going to include all of this in his TURN range, his pre flop range would have to be so silly that TT is a slam dunk 4b/gii pre.

This seems like a more realistic range OTT (honestly still silly):

Board: 2d8h4hKd
Equity Win Tie
SB 66.54% 65.92% 0.62% { 88+, AKs, QJs, AdQd, AhQh, KdQd, KhQh, AdJd, AhJh, KdJd, KhJh, AdTd, AhTh, KdTd, KhTh, QdTd, QhTh, JdTd, JhTh, Ad9d, Ah9h, Kd9d, Kh9h, Qd9d, Qh9h, Jd9d, Jh9h, Td9d, Th9h, Ad8d, Ah8h, Jd8d, Jh8h, Td8d, Th8h, Ad7d, Ah7h, Ad6d, Ah6h, Ad5d, Ah5h, Ad4d, Ah4h, Ad3d, Ah3h, Ad2d, Ah2h, AKo, KQo }
BB 33.46% 32.84% 0.62% { TdTh }

I still feel OP misplayed every street.

The point is if you can come up with a turn range that you have enough equity vs to continue, then we should have been pounding him pre and post vs his even wider range that we were actually still ahead of.

Good point for sure.

But he’s a LAG. There is value is slow playing vs this player type, let them continue to bluff...


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I think pre and flop are fine.

It´s probably fine to 4bet/gii vs him, but prefer using our positional advantage instead of probably being slightly worse than flipping vs his gii range and picking up dead money sometimes.

flop does not connect well with his range, calling amd keeping him wide is fine imo, just an unfortunate turn.

I guess I would raise a range of any pair, any suited ace, any suited connected broadways, K9s+ and AT+ vs his limp, flat almost my whole range against this guy who we suspect is quite polarized and wide pre, continue otf with any set, any pair with a heart and AK, and continue ott with any pair+fd (A8dd, maybe 89dd, A4dd, A2hh, Kxhh), all sets, AK, AA, folding 8x, A4s, A2s, 99,TT, and JJ, and hate life with QQ.

I think we can fold TT here.

pre and flop are as std as it gets.

Ott pretty meh, we block both FDs, also pretty low in our range. We can probably just fold. you could consider jamming black tens.

~50 percent is not LAG, that's heading into maniac territory imo. So I'd 4bet/gii to 165 or whatever. I don't like the idea of calling to trap him, TT is not a trapping hand.

50% vpip in of itself doesnt equate to manical 3betting where we can 4b/gii 1010 profitably imo.

Also we arent trying to trap him with 1010. It’s not strong enough to trap and not strong enough to 4b so it’s a flat imo

My comment about trapping was in reaction to megamen who mentioned it. I don't particularly mind calling pre either, but indeed not to "trap" him. But I still think that this...
...more than warrants a 4b pre, BvB.

Agree, well into maniac territory.