I haven't seen him taking this line as a bluff, but if he has a tendency of check raising the river for value his missed attempts would have been revealed at showdown at some point.

Now that I look closely and read everyones reasons, I have to admit the value bet was fine, or that I can not be sure it was from too far down in range to be profitable.

Hero has a section of range of about 10 percent that is bet for value but folds to a check-raise.

This is located between 70-80 percent of strength of hero surviving combos on the river.

But, the check on the turn should have removed lots of combos that would place a bet around there, so we should not be holding these when we arrive at river, otherwise we lose money on the turn.

However, regarding calling the checkraise is more straigtforward.

Villain should checkraise the river less than 6 percent of all rivers to be balanced. Only less than 2 percent of this is bluff.

If we see a good reg hardly ever checkraise river, or only do it for value, then we can easily fold our holding here.

I think this is a reasonable spot to attempt a check/raise from villain. The majority of his range is Jx/TT-77, we got a card which improves a lot of our hands to value bets and it's a card we can represent if we missed it. As long as he has a hand strong enough to x/r and still get called by enough worse hands it seems fine.

I don’t see myself betting river as a bluff alll that often - they’re just too likely to call with a J. So mostly, I think I’m folding here bc I have a bunch of better Qs to call with (QJ, AQ, KQ), and a rare but possible QQ.

This is hugely results oriented.

If you want to get more out of these threads. Give reads on your opponent, which you didn't do until you revealed results.

Even then your read seem result oriented.

River was/is very easy value bet. Sizing is okay. May go bit smaller. As he has checked 3 times and his range is fairly weak and weighted to one pair hands.

Also, readless river is simple fold.

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AQ and QJ are the same in this spot.

Easy fold, he has way more value hands than bluffs looks like 6x

Fold. All his value takes this line. Likely won't have that many hands to bluff with given how large you bet otf.

But we have to decide on how to split our range up between call and fold somehow. Also, QJ is probably slightly better to call with because it might chop if he also has QJ.

So just fold all Qx.

Check call river, what you basically have is a bluff catcher on this board.

JQ also blocks JJ, which seems unlikely for villain, but not impossible. Best to block as much value as possible.

Guys sometimes bet/fold is the correct option (along with bet/call but not this case)
Check/call is always results oriented nonsense.

Again issue here is sizing. It's too big for light calls/inducing.

Hard to check/call, when in position and your opponent has already checked.

So betting for value in this spot. Is standard and +EV

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V probably b/f's all his J hands OTR after c/c turn for his own thin value no?

As played u have to fold. I think I check this river back because my hand has showdown value.

No? What would he be trying to get value from?

Any pp lower than Jacks? I wouldn't assume that Hero has a Q or a 6 based on action so as V would b/f a lot of my range on the river, including hands like KJ, JT, J9 etc.

What bluffs are you supposed to have after check-calling on J66 rainbow to a three-handed bet? Frankly I consider betting J9 a bluff, as CO I would certainly not call with a chop and would be pretty unhappy and considering folding with AJ and KJ.

"I wouldn't assume that Hero has a Q or a 6 based on action" is only half a thought process. That means you don't want to x/f your jacks, but it can't help you with whether to x/c or b/f, that's determined by whether CO will call with worse hands more or less often than bluffing. Since I think CO has literally zero worse hands he calls with vs a bet, the decision is easy for me. Even if you think CO calls pocket pairs worse than jacks though, that seems like a pretty thin range to be targeting.

This was my first take, and the way I would play it. If we are trying to get value on the river (totally fine, probably +EV) we can not call a raise after checkback on the turn.

I think we should remember that our opponent had the option to checkraise the turn, and that our check on the turn must allow a vil the checkraise on the river.

Fair enough and your line is probably a good conservative play. I am trying t find more spots to bet for thin value overall though and given that V had checked to us twice, it seemed like a good spot to do so. Obv not given that he check-raised, but I think in general IP vs a V who has c/c flop and then checked twice seems like a good spot to v-bet thin (as most V's with a 6 or Jacks full would not check the river).