Live £1/2

UTG (£400) limps
UTG+1 (£800) limps
Hero has QQ in Cutoff and raises to £16
SB (£100) calls
BB (£800) calls
UTG calls

UTG+1 reraises to £75

No particular reads on UTG+1
SB/BB and UTG are recreational players

Thoughts?

Why not flat in position?

Presumably the rec blinds will let you crushers contest this hand HU. If the short stack in the Sb shoves, would it be enough to reopen the action at your casino? If not, I think you’re ok flatting. You get 3-2 to the flop ahead of his TT/JJ and getting a good price in position against his AK combos.

Since you're this deep you can take a flop IP and evaluate his sizing and board texture from there vs his unbalanced range of JJ+/AK, weighted towards KK/AA mostly

Flat.

Hero's stack?

Flatting is fine as long as you realize you’re set mining (and you know V will stack off on Q high boards).

Don’t go broke on a 10 high flop though.

Effective stack is about 12x the amount of the reraise. I would flat and take a flop. A set of queens could win you his whole stack, and you have position.

IMO, either a fold or flat. Never raising without additional information. The classic rule of thumb was 10x for set mining but Bart Hanson's advice has increased this to 15x. There is definitely some disagreement behind this line of thinking as you can see on this thread from a couple of years ago.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...90/index2.html

Having said this, 12x makes a call profitable in theory but being OOP will make it harder to get your entire stack in. This is one of those borderline decisions and considering we are OOP here, it is probably closer to a fold than a flat.

Ok, as played, it was an easy fold since the flop was ace high and the villain bets a pot

What if it is 10 high with a flush draw and the villain still bets a pot?

Sorry forgot to include that - I have about £500 before this hand started

In your other thread you also forgot to include that.

I really hate these spots. I mostly give people credit for AA/KK when they limp/rr unless they're shortstacked or something, or I've seen them do this more often. I dunno, I probably give them a bit too much credit to be honest. I would flat here and proceed very carefully.

This is one of the easiest folds pf you can make given the stack sizes without a read that he l/rr very wide. He has AA a lot, followed by a bit of KK and if he's a wild man, AK.

Its important that villain limped after another person limped into the pot.

In my experience, fish open limp pre-flop with AA, KK, and AK for the following reasons.

1. They are scared that if they raise, no one will call, or three bet.
2. They like to trap. Trapping is fun to fish, it makes them feel like they're a pro poker player

But this isn't what happened in your case, as there was already a limper UTG when it was Villains turn to act. A limp behind a limper, then a re-raise is a different action than an open limp re-raise.

Fish play a hand this way for the following reasons.

1. They have a hand that they know is good (JJ, TT and AQo etc), but they hate playing it post flop when overs come. If the pot doesn't get raised pre-flop, they don't feel too bummed out if they have to c/f a flop they don't smash.
2. They want to get value, but also want to end the hand pre-flop (see reason #1)
3. Random spaz out with any pp, suited ace, or suited connectors. Fish do tilt, and often I've found that they get angry with players raising pre-flop, because they can't play their favourite hand, so they 3 bet to punish you for not letting them see a cheap flop. This is more likely to occur if you have been raising pre-flop a lot.
4. They have AA, KK, or AK

So what I'm trying to say is that his range can be a lot wider than people are assuming in this thread. There is already someone in the pot who has indicated that they want to play a hand, so that increases the chance that a fish will raise pre-flop with a monster.

What makes this particular example tricky is that the effective stack size is 250bb. If it was 100bb or less, I would be 4 betting pre-flop and looking to GII.

If you do 4-bet, I'd make it 150 and fold to a 5-bet (you'd still have room to fold). But flatting is fine too, especially as you are in position.

I'd peel a card, and see a turn. Its hard for the average recreational player to fire two barrels with air, so if they continue on the turn then you can look to fold, and if they check then you can bet with what is most likely the best hand.

Also the fact that an ace came out on the flop should show you that it probably wasn't Aces that he re-raised with pre-flop.

Having some sort of information about Villain is really going to help you make the best decision in this spot, as there are multiple ways it could go.