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Old 07-27-2015, 10:28 PM   #1
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2/5 River Raise Top Two paired board

Hero: 1000. White male 25 hoodie. Snug image.
V: 1000. White male 35. Seems solid. A touch on the looser side. Lots of tatoos.

History: I cbet a 552 board oop and V folds quickly.

*Hand prior to this I flopped a set and got 3 streets against a different player. I am still stacking chips when hand begins.

I pick up AQ in UTG+2 and make it 30. 4 callers.

(150)

AJ6

Hero bet 80. V call. others fold.

(310)

J

Check/Check

Q

Hero bet 150. V raises to 400. ???
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Old 07-27-2015, 10:33 PM   #2
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Re: 2/5 River Raise Top Two paired board

I'm folding.

His hand to me screams J,Q or a set that filled up.
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Old 07-27-2015, 10:56 PM   #3
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Re: 2/5 River Raise Top Two paired board

Fold. Weakest hand in V's range is AQ and I don't even think he raises that on the river.
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Old 07-27-2015, 11:00 PM   #4
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Re: 2/5 River Raise Top Two paired board

Fold.
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Old 07-27-2015, 11:20 PM   #5
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Re: 2/5 River Raise Top Two paired board

Couldnt the villain float all sorts of garbage on the flop? Then after check check he can rep a jack? We only need to be good 33% of thw time? Or are moat LLSNL solid players not bluffing thw river here?

To answet my own question, most are not.. I would fold many players in my room.

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Old 07-27-2015, 11:27 PM   #6
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Re: 2/5 River Raise Top Two paired board

I know it's taboo to use "ALWAYS" or "NEVER" in poker analysis, but I have two hard and fast rules at LLSNL. They aren't 100%, but if you follow them 100% you'll make a miniscule number of mistakes in your lifetime.

1) A pre-flop 4-bet that is not all-in is always AA or KK

2) A river raise on a paired board is always a full house.

And, in regards to #2, you can't even beat trips.
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Old 08-26-2015, 04:53 PM   #7
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Re: 2/5 River Raise Top Two paired board

Villain is never bluffing here. You only beat a bluff on the river, and villain is most likely going to fold when he misses on the flop since he can't really rep anything. AJ or 6s make the most sense.
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Old 08-26-2015, 06:04 PM   #8
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Re: 2/5 River Raise Top Two paired board

Cool that this got bumped up. The V ended up showing a 2 when he folded. Must have been J2 or A2 I guess. Strange hand. If he turned A2 into a bluff god bless him.
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Old 08-26-2015, 06:32 PM   #9
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Re: 2/5 River Raise Top Two paired board

That was me P.

I called pre with KQ because I had position on you, we were deep, and I thought I could outplay you.

On the flop, I looked left and could see the other two were folding. My perception of you was that your were a bit of a nitty TAG, likely not following c bets by barrelling. I know that you can find a fold and you think Iīm solid. Your c bet was on the smallish side. I decided to call, with the intention of betting the turn, if you checked, to claim the pot when you donīt have an ace. If I bink a ten and you actually have something I can win a nice pot....so I called.

The turn was an interesting card. Given your action I figured AJ,AA,JJ became unlikely. I think you would have kept betting and prayed I had a big second best hand and would stack off to you. I wasnīt sure if you were waving the white flag with an underpair or pot controlling with AK,AQ. If I bet here, I figured you would call me with a big ace and I would be committing myself to bluffing safe rivers. Maybe this was the right line, but I decided to check, possibly because I am a coward?

My initial thought was that the river was a great card for me as it made me second pair. If you checked I probably check back and expect to be good most of the time. The only reason to bet would be to try to fold KQ, but you might not fold and I may just be value betting your AK for you, so a check back would probably be best.

Anyway, when you bet, it narrows your range. I have a blocker against QQ (so just one combo), AQ is 6 combos, AK (which you may or may not bet) is 9 combos. KT, weird bluffs from underpairs and the monsters are possible but donīt really seem likely.

I realised AQ, AK are the majority of your range here and you are bet/folding them. I decided a raise of 1/2 Pot should be enough to fold these hands (good sizing?). In the excitement I erred slightly when counting our my chips, but I guess it was close enough.

It was a pleasure playing with you P.

Edit: WTF. I never showed my hand. Is this some kind of joke?

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Old 08-26-2015, 06:43 PM   #10
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Re: 2/5 River Raise Top Two paired board

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I know it's taboo to use "ALWAYS" or "NEVER" in poker analysis, but I have two hard and fast rules at LLSNL. They aren't 100%, but if you follow them 100% you'll make a miniscule number of mistakes in your lifetime.

1) A pre-flop 4-bet that is not all-in is always AA or KK

2) A river raise on a paired board is always a full house.

And, in regards to #2, you can't even beat trips.
In two hours of playing last night I saw both of the Spex commandments broken.
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Old 08-26-2015, 08:11 PM   #11
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Re: 2/5 River Raise Top Two paired board

Lol not sure what to make of this...
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Old 08-27-2015, 03:02 AM   #12
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That was me P.

I called pre with KQ because I had position on you, we were deep, and I thought I could outplay you.

On the flop, I looked left and could see the other two were folding. My perception of you was that your were a bit of a nitty TAG, likely not following c bets by barrelling. I know that you can find a fold and you think Iīm solid. Your c bet was on the smallish side. I decided to call, with the intention of betting the turn, if you checked, to claim the pot when you donīt have an ace. If I bink a ten and you actually have something I can win a nice pot....so I called.

The turn was an interesting card. Given your action I figured AJ,AA,JJ became unlikely. I think you would have kept betting and prayed I had a big second best hand and would stack off to you. I wasnīt sure if you were waving the white flag with an underpair or pot controlling with AK,AQ. If I bet here, I figured you would call me with a big ace and I would be committing myself to bluffing safe rivers. Maybe this was the right line, but I decided to check, possibly because I am a coward?

My initial thought was that the river was a great card for me as it made me second pair. If you checked I probably check back and expect to be good most of the time. The only reason to bet would be to try to fold KQ, but you might not fold and I may just be value betting your AK for you, so a check back would probably be best.

Anyway, when you bet, it narrows your range. I have a blocker against QQ (so just one combo), AQ is 6 combos, AK (which you may or may not bet) is 9 combos. KT, weird bluffs from underpairs and the monsters are possible but donīt really seem likely.

I realised AQ, AK are the majority of your range here and you are bet/folding them. I decided a raise of 1/2 Pot should be enough to fold these hands (good sizing?). In the excitement I erred slightly when counting our my chips, but I guess it was close enough.

It was a pleasure playing with you P.

Edit: WTF. I never showed my hand. Is this some kind of joke?
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