There is zero chance that villain is crai with QQ if OP bets smallish. He wont fold QQ to a smallish bet but no way is he crai.

How would you have sized / played pre and post mike

He didn't show. I checked back and he just sat there. I honestly forgot if it was last aggressor or first to act in the room I was in as it varies from room to room. So I announced overpair and he still didn't show. So I tabled my KK instead of asking the dealer who had to show first and he mucked. Agree I lost value vs his QQ. Not sure how much of his range that is though.

I think when youre this deep there are lots of ways to play it but I would start with more preflop for sure and less on the flop for sure. Id also say the turn is way too big against most people.

Huge mistake man. Definitely make him show first unless he says “I missed” and you don’t want to be a douchebag.

Can every poster who suggested checking back this river not post for like a minimum of 1 week.

Honestly can't really think of much worse advice for a low stakes forum, given all the information presented in op.

This board and action represents both the ideal board to bet bet jam with AA/KK or AKhh.

If you can't find a bluff with AhKh here OTR then you just have no bet bet jam bluffs and if you can't find value jam with KK/AA here then you are only jamming literally nuts on rivers.

Your sizing needs work though, you need to size with the river in mind and leave yourself nearly exactly a psb or slightly more then a psb on the river so that when you are actually bluffing, villain has a decision.


If you're going reg at the same casino then it's important you find bluffs so that you can bet bet jam with 1 pair type hands like this for max value vs other regs. If the other regs consider you so nitty that they won't pay off QQ on this texture then you just have 0 bluffs in your range which is very bad.


Never ever consider pot controlling a board like this with KK again and you will print. Villain realistically has two hands that beat you JJ/99. And I doubt very much they play the turn/river like this allowing you the option to check back or a scare card to roll out of the deck.

No capable villain is not 4betting AA OOP, because without a 4bet it's much harder to get stacks in OOP against your entire range. I would be much more considerate of AA if the villain was IP and you were in the blinds.

You can get called as light as 10s maybe even 8s here or at least I can because villains know i'm capable of multistreet bluffs.


Once you reach 400bb stacks then you play these types of hands differently but not at 200, just bet bet jam in 3b pots on dank runnouts.

Lol: “everyone who doesn’t play exactly like me is trash”.

If you play with the same people regularly and never trap AA/KK pre and never trap sets here on flop and turn you are going to get pretty exploited by any decent pro.

I’m curious about the reasoning behind the $150 bet from everyone who suggested it because it’s not something I would normally consider doing. Why this size as opposed to $300-all in? Is it because hero has a nit image? Would you size bluffs/sets this way or are you doing this as an exploit with just AA/KK?

OP, what do you think villain’s range is given the preflop action?

Totally false. A 4 bet from OOP with this stack depth is AA like 98% of the time so when someone does it, a capable person should be folding everything. I cant remember ever seeing anyone but an absolute whale 4 bet smallish with anything but AA. You might as well play with your cards face up.

Grunching but if you are not jamming this river your play is too predictable. It's true that you are basically only targetting QQ (and maybe AJs) but QQ is his most likely hand here.

LOL at 4-bet or fold everything.

To be clear is mostly folding.

Playing OOP without the initiative is the biggest leak most players have.

Think about it for a second; When you're ahead you win the minimum usually, when you're behind you get stacked.


You say "we'll what if i make a set of 10s against aces, I better call". By the time you make your set you've already paid off 200x8 =1600 in preflop and flop calls just to make AK high fold when you start putting money in.

Every other time you were bluffed off the best hand or value owned.


Unprofitable poker. You can argue flatting 3bets OOP against weak players but not regs. You are torching money and i'd be curious to see your winrates if you're flatting 3bets OOP often.

Pre is too small for sure.

Flop and Turn sizes are on the bigger side for sure and I would lean towards slightly smaller sizing.

If V is as competent then I would see him looking to c/r turn with combo draws if he picks up more equity but as described in OP he took the passive line when he picked up equity and donked when he got there so I am inclined to think he would donk the river for value if we are behind here.

Hero is representing exactly what he has and it puts him in a tough spot with bet sizing so I think we are narrowing the range of hands V has to QQ/AA/AJs/JJ/99 type range.

While I do like the idea of $75 induce is this something hero has done before? If hero has shown tendencies to do this to get cheaper showdowns or what have you in the past in marginal spots then inducing is good strategy but normally people do not play as correctly as they should in these spots so we are likely to see V call with a vast portion of his range rather than spew jam imo.

I would make it bigger pre, smaller in relation to pot size on the flop and turn and definitely be going for third street of value on the river. We are way ahead of the majority of his holdings here. I think we can discount AA because most people 4 bet in LLSNL.

So you went from "I 4 bet or fold everything" and tried to make us believe you regularly 4 bet KQ OOP and make the nits fold everything....to now saying you are "mostly folding". LOL

You're not 4 betting KQ from UTG and you know it. You may have done it once. Big deal. I 4 bet KJ the other day in a 5/10 game. It was specifically to slow down a reg who likes to 3 bet me.

You're not making money doing that and like I said, a smallish 4 bet is AA almost always.

I do 4 bet or fold OOP. Flatting 3bets OOP is fishplay.

I can't 4bet everytime I get KQ obviously but I do it often enough that people call me when I have aces or kings, lets just say that. It's villain and dynamic dependent.

Against a scared money like OP who I know is folding 99% of his range i'd probably 4bet without even having 2 cards in my hand.

Once I 4bet I play the hand like I have aces, i'll continue to bet if I would continue to bet if I actually had aces, dry low paired boards like this one would be bet small bet jam.

Just to clarify, I only check back this river IF I have used Corns sizing on previous streets. If I have sized differently (meaning smaller, especially OTT), then I think the bet OTR is much clearer as we have left ourselves an escape hatch to b/f the river to a CRAI.

Given our remaining stack as played (0.7 PSB), we can't do that as we will be getting insane odds to call his CR (unless we go with Ava's $150 size bet which is very interesting, but I think in this case is really V dependent as it could induce a bluff shove from a decent reg as it looks pretty weak given our flop/turn sizing).

Let's all calm down though....there are lots of ways to play this hand and this river and no one way is 100% correct ever. I would also guess that OP did not lose value at all (and may have maxed out) given the fact that V wouldn't show OTR after it went x/x.

So you are folding TT to a 3-bet OOP?

What are you continuing with, JJ? Please go play against some competent players and fold 90% of your opens vs 3-bets and report back on how you do. I'll wait.

High stakes pros flat 3 bets OOP all the time against other high stakes pros so I don’t know where you are getting your information from that flatting 3 bets with a balanced range is bad poker. Snowie flats 3 bets OOP quite often as well. Go look at its preflop ranges sometime. I recommend over-folding against rec 3 bets because they are nutted, but that has nothing to do with initiative and I’m certainly not going to start 4 betting wide against a nutted range.
If they are 3 betting wide then flatting isn’t fish play.

Initiative is an outdated concept. Initiative doesn’t have any intrinsic value. Maybe people have leaks when playing without initiative but good players and solvers don’t care who has initiative.

Damn, don't tap the tank so much.

If I continue with 1010 or JJ I'm 4 betting them. That's all i'm saying, no 3! flats OOP. It's just terrible poker and I do very well. I've climbed from 1/2 reg to 2/5 reg in only a few months now approaching rolls for 5/10.


Tell me how to win big pots OOP with 1010 in 3bet pots without flopping a set. I don't like to gamble, not going to put 80$ pre in to fight an uncapped range. When i'm only going to feel good about my hand 1 in 7 times by the river.

Think about it, by the time you win a big pot with 1010 OOP you've already lost like 5 or 6 400-500$ ones in 2-5, sometimes worse. You literally have to flop a set vs TPTK or an overpair.


Most of the time you do not flop a set with 1010 or JJ in a 3 bet pot you will either A. Fold the best hand by the river to a competent player. B. Win a small spot or C. Get stacked.

None of those options are good. Against weak fit or fold opponents I can argue flating OOP, but not against good players.


Let me guess this is you playing JJ. Arguing that one time you bluffcaught makes up for the 500 other times you lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtlx6uQvdaU

Your goal in hands should not be to win big pots, or to have the easiest decisions, but to realize equity.

BTW I'm a HSNL pro and I've played with almost all of the players in the video above, but please tell me more about how great at poker you are and how you have it all figured out.

Realizing equity OOP and getting value is hard against good players, that's basic 101 poker.


I don't believe you are a winning player if you are flatting 3! utg to UTG +1 with 1010 @ 200bb stacks. You are at best a coinflip.

Against an active player I will 4! TT or fold, against a nitreg I will probably just fold. Against scared money i'll probably 4bet.

I would rather flat with a hand like 89s then TT OOP. It's just really bad. If we are 350bb deep one can argue for a flat just for set mining but even then getting paid off a full stack will be difficult OOP on all but the best boards. (Wet boards that run out dry vs a overpair).

You'll go far in poker with that attitude, I can tell.

Playing marginal hands OOP in bloated pots seems really bad.

Also lumping every instance in together and making blanket statements about what you should always do with X hand in X position seems even worse.