Full ring game where we had been doing bomb pots for ~2 hours (everyone $25 pre and then play PF with 225 in the pot). People are overfolding and betting half pot when they have a pair, folding to a fair amount of 3b otf scared to play too big as it's a much bigger game than 2/5. One good reg (V) is taking advantage of overfolding and we noticed fairly early on hes leading all his draws and middle pairs and scooping a lot.

We're otb w QJ, 3300eff. Flop is J43. V leads 100 from EP, we call. HU to Turn J. V bet 200, we call. River K. V leads 500.

my experience in bomb pots is minimal so obv his range is fairly wide open. I'm not sure he leads into me when hes not nutted in some manner, either flushes or combos of J4,J3,KJ,AJ.

I thought about ripping it and getting all non boated jacks and flushes to fold, but obv we get sigh called by better a lot of the time. Any input welcome.

Just call, at this point, you dont get anything worse call you... maybe JT and QQ+

Anybody likes rasing turn to charge draws and get value from QQ+ and he might even call with TT. Then you can set your own price otr with a b/f I guess, this deep...

Makes sense to get value from AQ,QQ,KK,AA. Seems thin from him otr

I like how you're trapping the whole way here. Give him some belief that you're hanging on w/ like 4x or 66 or something.

Just call at this point. All the flopped straight draws bricked, backdoor spades came in, not much to get value from.

Ok so if this is a true bomb pot then we have 8 players to the flop?

V is leading into 9 players with 1 pair hands or SD's here? He's really that crazy?

I probably fold flop to be honest unless V is an asbolute maniac. We are drawing real thin to j4,j3, sets, which is way too possible with 9 people to a flop. Also I think overpairs are going to be taking a check raise line OTF to either take it down early or shut down early if they're beat. I really don't see an overpair betting the turn.

As played you have to call


Interested in results, I can't possibly see how you are good here unless V is a mental case.

QJ is just a call. Your temptation to bluff raise is bizarre, don't do that w 2k behind to try and fold out some bd flushes and all his worse jacks.

V had shown down with 2 draws in prior hands where he opened action and top pair was almost an auto half pot bet from any player at the table. Like I said, it was every hand. Not just once a round, 25 pre from 9 players, every hand....complete dynamic change obv, and V was taking full advantage. Prob half the table were folding middle and bottom pair otf to ep opens. V is capable of taking thin lines against me as he knows I can have a fairly wide range so honestly he may show up with some premium holdings that I beat.

I'll post results tomorrow after we get some more feedback.

id call him down. i kind of like your bluffing idea too.

I have no idea why we aren't raising the turn when we improve and the board gets wet but ok

Yeah, definitely raising turn. Now that you've flatted turn, flat the river again and scoop your pot, or pay him off. Either way I think folding or raising are both really bad. I mean I guess you could min raise or something but being forced to bet/fold here would be a disaster. If you're betting the river it's to value-town an ag-sticky V who'll pay off light due to the huge pot ($500 into $2300 on river min raise). It's a bold move Cotton... I like it, but I'm sure I'm just flatting the river.

We ended up finding a fold after considering that most Js below us probably check back the river and call so they dont face a x/r. He showed us QJ.

So you turned this into a bomb game. Wow, highly interested to get in that As played, has to be a call. I think based on his loose betting OTF prior, you make the call there. The only thing I would have liked to see is a raise on the turn, to get him off any draws. It's a $625 pot at that point, raise him to $500 and force a lay down of something like 56 or 2 low spades. In a bomb scenario, these are much more likely than a standard hand.

As played, must call on the river though.

It’s really a must call w trips in a game playing this big when he has worse for value. Like you said, if has J3 then he also has J6...JT and would take this line frequently enough. I see no particular reason to raise turn and instantly threaten stacks w trip+good kicker.

Yep folding is a costly mistake, I just didnt really have him betting for value on the river when I flat the turn and a spade comes with a hand that I could beat.