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03-18-2019 , 02:38 PM
Hero, been at the table for couple orbits, but active, maybe seen as LAG. Open the first hand sat down in mp, heads up with Btn, cbet flop, check/check turn, and 80% pot the river on AK5hhs-Qs-brick. Another hand, 3bet preflop, down bet flop oop, check/check turn, and pot the river on 4 to a flush board. And no showdown both time.

V - 35-40 year old Asian male, no history, but I heard some one said he is tight.

OTTH -effective stack for H and V is about $1k. utg limp, V from utg1 raise to $15, mp call, here call with J9hh in the btn. bb and limper also call. 5 way to a flop.

(70) flop Kh8h7d, V(utg1) cbet $35, mp fold, hero raise to $100, only V call.

(270) turn Jd, V check call $175.

(620) River 4hhh, V tanks for maybe a minute or even more, and bet $500 leave him $250ish behind. Hero?
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03-18-2019 , 02:49 PM
Ha - this hand is eerily reminiscent of one that I played 2 days ago and posted about in this very forum.. "2/5 - facing river C/R after turning flush, river blank"

I'm biased by my own result, but expect AhQh, and moreso Ah10h to be here a LOT. The question is how many other hands lead us to this spot.

Given his tight image, I don't see very much that you are beating here.. He seems like the type to check/call with most of his strong hands that aren't a better flush. I'm folding, sadly.
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03-18-2019 , 04:13 PM
flop and turn are button clicking and spew
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03-18-2019 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
flop and turn are button clicking and spew
Spot on.
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03-18-2019 , 04:45 PM
Without a better read I can't see folding river. It is a marginal situation but there are some worse hands villain can be betting for value (sets/straight/possible AK) and possibly some bluffs or worse flushes.
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03-18-2019 , 05:45 PM
Pre: probably a fold. We are multiway vs a strong opening range by villain with a hand that doesn't nut very often.

Flop: Not horrible if we have a multistreet plan, but i mostly call here. If you are gonna semibluff this deep, find a hand either has significant nut potential and some blockers like Ah9h, or that has some hidden draws that can much more easily fold to a 3bet, like Jd9d.

Turn: He's not folding Kx for this sizing, and probably not for a bigger one either. Check back and get there.

River: Sigh call. I could definitely be convinced this should be a fold as well.
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03-18-2019 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
flop and turn are button clicking and spew
If the flop was HU or 3way how would you feel about a raise OTF?

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03-18-2019 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
flop and turn are button clicking and spew
this and fold pre vs a tight guy's raise from UTG+1
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03-18-2019 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Viral25
Pre: probably a fold. We are multiway vs a strong opening range by villain with a hand that doesn't nut very often.

Flop: Not horrible if we have a multistreet plan, but i mostly call here. If you are gonna semibluff this deep, find a hand either has significant nut potential and some blockers like Ah9h, or that has some hidden draws that can much more easily fold to a 3bet, like Jd9d.

Turn: He's not folding Kx for this sizing, and probably not for a bigger one either. Check back and get there.

River: Sigh call. I could definitely be convinced this should be a fold as well.
Actually in theory you’re supposed to raise flop w/ J9hh > A9hh/etc since J9hh has no showdown value and wants to just take down the pot, and A9hh is a call. In practice raising J9hh is terrible, and with A9hh is still a call
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03-18-2019 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DON'T_touch_ME
If the flop was HU or 3way how would you feel about a raise OTF?

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HU is more than fine and standard, 3-way is getting into grey territory. Both are ok, prefer raising by a little
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03-18-2019 , 09:11 PM
pre cool. flop is a rock solid call, can't be raising Kxx HU or 3 handed - call entire continuing range esp when K isnt a heart and you don't have it. If you want to move on some nasty turns for 1p hands, then fine, but not otf, and you need to know your man. No problem wwith punishing some too big turn bet. AP though, just ck turn and you have the easiest river call of your young life. AP not enough here to fold. Call.
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