Weird spot
Villain is Asian, has gotten it in somewhat light on a couple flops. Has $1015. Hero covers.
Hero has check raised and raised in different spots and always had a strong hand.

Limps around. Hero completes SB with 44. Villain in BB raises to 30. Two callers. Hero calls.

Flop:
934ss
Hero checks. Villain bets 60. Folds around. Hero opts to just call.

Turn Kx
Hero checks. Villain checks.

River 7x
Hero checks (I think that villain will bet with a hand like TT or JJ here, and maybe a missed draw). Villain bets $125. Hero thinks for a while and raises to $325. Villain closes his eyes and says all-in. $600 more to hero.

I don't think that villain would raise 56 from his BB, or check the turn if he did... Same with 77. If villain bets pre and on flop, I feel like he's going to bet turn too...

Looks like 77. Fold.

Whats his pre flop ange to you? whole hands boils down to that. if he's wide enough to have 56 is pretty huge and in a way kind of easy to spot if he's the type to raise 56 from BB.

But lets look closer. We don't have normal reads here but if we assume he can have 56 (16 combos), then IMO hands that take that line on turn would be 56, 9T, 98, 55-QQ (6 combos each), 76, 45, Kxss, Axss

I could see all these hands taking that line, Kxss and Axss probably not. So on river that goes for this line would be 65,77, or even KK. I don't think we are seeing any 1 pair hands at all here, why not flat?

His turn check really polarizes his range down and to a non sick GOAT crusher, he isn't polarizing a 200+bb stack and if is he god bless his soul.

I would fold man, can't find a hand that checks turn and b/3b on river when a draw comes in. Only hand I could see taking this line is a weird played 34 or 74 or something.

edit- honestly this is a hand thats much easier here. I can't say with 100% that i would fold this IRL.

sidenote- I think in the future in spots like this, we should be looking to donk dry turns a lot. VS laggy Villains, i would be OK c/c flop leading turns to keep hands in and not have them realize their equity cheaply.

I would also be leading here in a lot of spots with boards like this. His range to him is uncapped, he can float easily. If he has an over pair he's not folding. If he has a draw he's not folding. and he's floating a ton. charge all of that. The better the player is the less likely they gonna pay u off when a draw hits.

I thought his preflop range was mostly 99+, big aces, suited/connected Broadways. I felt like he's only raising with value hands. Two pair hands are hard to find...

if thats the case then 56 out and we looking at KK or 99 from your range of him.

so its more of a fold. Funny thing is if Villain just bet bet bet every street, this is assuming he has us beat, he would more likely get paid off.

i don't understand his turn check honestly. the K really does nothing and our hands don't charge much only improving them if he has an over pair. then he fires on river.

idk, would hate to see a dumb ass played AA here. jesus i still can't get myself to fully fold the hand haha.

would love to see results later.

In all seriousness, if you're petrified villain is going to fold an overpair to a checkraise here, do you ever checkraise here as a bluff? Maybe you should?

As played it's a pretty gross spot but I guess I fold. I don't see what bluffs he has here. He has 77, I guess.

Ha.. No normally I'd opt to chk/raise flop against this villain. It was really that his flop sizing was a bit smaller than I was expecting to see with an overpair, which also made the river tough.

I think 4 ways he's not going to just have overcards and bet. Raising out of the blinds also suggests strength. If he does have like AK then your chances of getting more money are slim even if you do flat. Swing for the fences.

Can't really disagree with this thinking. Playing this flop as a check/call was definitely not normal for me.

Call.

V's line makes zero sense. There is no way that KK/99 is checking back the turn on this board.

Grunch.

First it sucks to play out of position.

Second, why check on the flop? You just lost control (if you had any, because of position). If I'm him, I C-bet AK here. See where you are.

Third why check on turn? Unless he's got (99,KK, which is pretty polarized) you're letting him get there for FREE. If I'm him, I'm checking the K too, again, making it harder on you to decide what I have.

River to me is..."you let him get there."

if you bet the flop, you then put him on a range.

If you bet the turn, bigger, you can narrow that range down.

If you bet the river and he raises you, the range is significantly smaller now I think.

As played, I'd fold.

Tough to advise on this one, try to get a live read itm. His river action seems strong imo.

I try to avoid ranging this narrow, nonetheless I think this is either KK or a missed FD. Is it possible that he is putting you on a missed FD? If he is thinking at this level, then calling should be considered.

Fwiw I’m eliminating 65s/97s based on your ranging. I’d also eliminate 77 based on his flop bet on a drawy board multi-way. Would be very spewy, likely to be called in at least one spot, forcing him to barrel tons of unimproved turns.

Same read with 56/97/77... I feel like if he wants to bet pre and flop with those hands, he's going to want to bet turn as well.

Why are we giving him KK? Do we feel like checking back turn is a frequent occurrence when hero could have plenty of draws in his range?

I could see Kx with flush draw, no longer feeling need to protect... But then does a villain turn that into a bluff? Do they spaz out with AsKs?

calling flop and having turn go check/check is a disaster. not raising an opponent who will get it in light on the flop is also really bad.

really have to know your customer to put him on a bet/3b bluff-shove on the river. in general this is a turbo-muck, so the fact you posted it implies to me that you have some reason to believe your villain is up to no good.

Top set with one to go is very strong. Betting folds a good part of a range, hands like TT/88/T9/98. Does miss value on the drawing side, but may get a 2nd street on the river.

I don't see AsKs ever taking this line. Guess the biggest spaz would be QsQx given your line.

I fold otr but I'm def chr otf.

I agree with all the comments. I feel like good line reads like he either has two pair out a broken flush draw. I don't think based on pre flop and flop, he has a straight. I would guess set over set, K-9, or bluffing with two spades.

Like everyone here though, the check turn has me baffled.

Some villain hand histories (that strongly suggest I should've chk/raised flop - I do agree with everyone saying this):

1. I had 66 in a pot raises pre with like 4-5 to the flop. Flop is TT6r. Villain checks. I check second to last to act. Button bets 55 into pot of like $100-130. Villain calls. I raise to 245 I think. Button folds. Villain tanks and ends up shoving for like 750-800 total. I snap and he starts saying, "if you have a ten..." and I just show my cards - guess he had an overpair?

2. UTG raise, villain calls, other calls, BB raises to $135 I think. Villain calls, others fold. BB bets $200 on a 256 flop. Villain calls. Q turn brings in BDFD. BB tanks for a bit before shoving like 500. Villain calls. BB had KK. Villain had 33 and scoops when he hits 4 otr.

3. I think the next one was singles raised pre. Unsure about the action exactly but villain I think 3bet (maybe 4bet?) shoved a 458r flop for like 700 total and is called by EP. Turn river come ace-ace. Villain says two pair and loses to 88.

4. Villain raises pre and gets a few callers. I call button with TJ. Flop 25Tr. Villain bets 50 or 60 into multiway pot. I call. Turn A brings in BDFD. Villain checks. I check. River J. Villain bets 100. I raise (thinly) to 225. Villain calls and mhig (villain says, "Ace queen no good") *** Note the turn check here.

Likely a fold. He probably has KK. Very common check back w/ KKK on turn - he doesn't want to lose you with your likely weak hand and he can then go for value on the river.

At least that would be my read of the check turn/3bet river.

so with your HHs, the c/r is even more clear haha or a lead.

i call now. with this history i spin in a circle as well.

Pay that man his maney.

Must x/r flop imo, it is drawy enough and flatting behind a caller widens your range to have draws.


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