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Old 06-01-2014, 09:18 AM   #1
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2/5@rio- NF facing all in on river

600 eff, I have a tag image... Villian is quasi thinking Middle Aged Asian dude who is drinking a little bit... Not crazy or maniacal at all but a little loose passive, rec player


Villian straddles for 10 on button, sb (huge fish) calls, I call in bb w A4cc



3 way to flop (pot 30)

Flop 7c 2c 2s

Sb ck, I bet 20, button call, sb fold


Turn 8c


I ck, button bets 35 I call w intention of betting big on river


River 10h


I am thinking and dude bets 45 out of turn w out dealer realizing we didn't ck....


We? Sizing? Plan?


Turn play?


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Old 06-01-2014, 10:17 AM   #2
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Re: 2/5@rio- NF facing all in on river

I would have kept betting turn and river. As played I'd c/r his 45 to 165.
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Old 06-01-2014, 01:18 PM   #3
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Re: 2/5@rio- NF facing all in on river

Why did you c/c the turn?
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Old 06-01-2014, 04:13 PM   #4
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Re: 2/5@rio- NF facing all in on river

I'd definitely flat the turn, why would we ever raise the turn here? We'll get called by better every time and worse will fold often?

I would raise the river, not sure about sizing, I'd probably make it kinda small with the intention of calling any bet.
Unless villain shoves or makes a huge bet and I have good reason to believe he would (almost) never do that as a bluff.
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Old 06-01-2014, 06:01 PM   #5
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I don't understand why you didn't bet the turn and say you plan for a big river bet. If you plan on betting big on the river your more likely to get paid by betting the turn.
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Old 06-01-2014, 06:03 PM   #6
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Re: 2/5@rio- NF facing all in on river

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I don't understand why you didn't bet the turn and say you plan for a big river bet. If you plan on betting big on the river your more likely to get paid by betting the turn.
Why?

I explained why I wouldn't bet (raise actually) the turn?
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Old 06-01-2014, 06:10 PM   #7
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Why?

I explained why I wouldn't bet (raise actually) the turn?
I was referring to the op c/c the turn instead of betting the turn. hero is in the bb and villain has position on him right? Or did I misread another post.
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Old 06-01-2014, 06:16 PM   #8
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Re: 2/5@rio- NF facing all in on river

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I am thinking and dude bets 45 out of turn w out dealer realizing we didn't ck....
villain bet out of turn so I'd just call it and bet the river
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Old 06-01-2014, 06:17 PM   #9
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villain bet out of turn so I'd just call it and bet the river
He bet out of turn on the river
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Old 06-01-2014, 06:17 PM   #10
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Loose passive?

Bet/bet/bomb river is the best line IMO.

V is never folding a 2 or a straight and you need to maximize value. As played if you haven't acted yet I think alert the dealer and tell him you haven't acted and donk bomb the river for like 200, that will look a lot weaker than C/Ring the river here (which any thinking player has to think your near nutted)

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Old 06-01-2014, 06:22 PM   #11
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Re: 2/5@rio- NF facing all in on river

Why is the post titled "Facing AI on river" ?
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Old 06-01-2014, 07:18 PM   #12
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Re: 2/5@rio- NF facing all in on river

I like a raise pre to get this heads up especially considering he
Flop is fine.
Bet turn.
Shove river, he is making the river bet small because he has a meh diamond in his hand hoping he gets to see if he's good for cheap.
Try to set up a live tell that you are bluffing, play to that certain villains ego that you are making a play by shoving so he calls you off with worse.
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Old 06-01-2014, 09:05 PM   #13
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Re: 2/5@rio- NF facing all in on river

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Why is the post titled "Facing AI on river" ?
A good question, but we'll put it to the side for now. I'm meh about the call pf with all those other players in front, but it worked for you.

The villain has put you in a tough spot. He's made a nice blocking bet. He's not going to call a bet or raise unless he beats you. If he thought trips were the nuts, he'd bet more. This is where you need to know the house's rules. Some rooms consider verbal declarations out of turn as binding. That means if you check, he has to make the bet. In that case, I'd check and then decide what to do. If he's really fighting to avoid the bet and isn't faking, then I'd raise. If it seems like faking, I'd call. Some rooms don't consider a verbal bet out of turn binding. In this case, I'd bet what you planned to do. I'd bet something like 65. He's never going to bet 45 but fold 65. If he raises, you can fold.
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Old 06-01-2014, 10:48 PM   #14
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Re: 2/5@rio- NF facing all in on river

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I'd definitely flat the turn, why would we ever raise the turn here? We'll get called by better every time and worse will fold often?

I would raise the river, not sure about sizing, I'd probably make it kinda small with the intention of calling any bet.
Unless villain shoves or makes a huge bet and I have good reason to believe he would (almost) never do that as a bluff.
Agree c/r turn is pretty terrible though I don't think anyone is arguing in favor of.

Bet turn like every time. 50ish seems good. If he calls I'm betting river again.

Betting flop with your draw then checking when it comes in just doesn't make any sense at this level
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Old 06-02-2014, 02:55 AM   #15
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Re: 2/5@rio- NF facing all in on river

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Why is the post titled "Facing AI on river" ?
I imagine that Hero raises the river and get shoved on.
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