Reads: Unknown woman, new to table.

Folds to me w/ 5 players behind and I make it $20 with 22+, KQo, AJo+, all suited broadway cards, 65s+. Total combos = 186.

Only BB calls. About 300 effective. Flop: AK4.Total combos possible combos now = 159.

She donks for $20. I fold 22-33, 65s-109s with no possible flush draws. 65, 76. 87, 98. 26 total combos, or a fold flop freq of 16%.

I raise to $65 with KK, 44, AKs, AKo, 65-910, Q10s, QJs, J10s, 55x, 66x, 77x, 88x, 9h9x, and 109.

That's 14 value combos that are nearly the nuts and 32 bluff combos for a raise freq of 29%.

I call the $20 with the remaining 87 combos, which includes hands like AJ, AQ, all K-X, AA, and the pairs QQ and lower with that werent raised on the flop.

Note that I can have top set after just flatting flop. Should I add some flush draws too though, so I can have a flush after just flatting flop?

Thoughts and tweaks welcome.

Assuming you will bluff some heart turns with your flatting range you should prob have a couple FDs as well?

Learning to run before you can walk, eh?

Any mentioning of balancing would be stupid and therefore...

It's silly as hell.

1. You should never have top set just flatting the flop.
2. Of course you should have flush draw in your range.

Static raising range is really bad as well.

Sounds cool, but what exactly is the point?

Only legitimate point is from V's POV whether to donk bet on that flop if she assigns a certain opening range to you.

You are playing against an unknown, there is no point evaluating whether you should have a better response on this flop.

Don't study calculus before you figured out algebra.

I think your stack size is important, as well as the table dynamic since there are 5 yet to act. With 60 bbs, I'd be folding, at best limping, a large part of the range you described in order to keep IO high.

Frankly, vs. an unknown opponent with $300 eff, I think you are over-thinking this spot.

why don't you just try to make money instead of whatever it is you're trying to do?

i want you to come to my poker room so badly

My stack was roughly 500 as were most of the players remaining. Table dynamic was pretty tight preflop.

If I only had 300, or if effective stacks against most players behind were around that, I'd tighten up quite a bit preflop.

So you're right that we want to have fewer speculative hands with only 300 eff, but BB was literally the only short stack behind. Maybe since she's in the blind and more likely to call, I should give that alot more weight?

If I'm overthinking it, then what are you doing with my preflop range as played? Just folding everything except A-X, K-X and draws? That would be folding the majority of the time, possibly leaving alot of $ on the table if villain is bluffing or bet/folding hands, or is unwilling to stack off with say a weak A-X or K-X.

I should have also mentioned this is a default, safe strategy I'm working on to use against players who I don't know their tendencies yet (except old guys or known 2+2ers, who are too tight preflop, bluff too little, and call down too little, and are therefore easily exploited).

Point is to have a strategy that is likely overall much higher EV than your strategy, which you probably don't even know since you likely have a primitive, 2008 level mindset of "my single hand vs opponent's likely single hand" or at best "my single hand vs opponent's rough range of possible hands". I've seen posts like yours, and almost always it's from people who don't even know how to calculate EV...so you may not even understand the point...

Yeah I think that's right. Flatting some flop FDs lets me raise turned hearts as well as the pairs QQx, JJx, and 1010x.

Have fun playing against my flop raising range. No matter what you do, your EV of any response will be close to $0 at best, and whatever your response, you will often be folding the best hand or calling down with a losing hand.

ev schmeevee

If you are raising me on a AhKh4s flop with 10s9s then I think I'll be just fine.

it's gto bro

LOL. Ben thinks GTO is profitable.

Even though he doesn't really understand it.

13k posts and only a single thread created where you played a hand...

Looks like your remaining 12,999 are mostly not even about poker, or are point-less one liners in the few posts that are.

Do you even play poker?

Funny you are the one asking.

Are you saying this because you assume your strategy is GTO and you are spouting off mostly unprovable platitudes about GTO, or because you have actually done the computations yourself and worked it out?

If it's the latter, you should show your computations, because my intuition from looking over your OP is that it's quite easy to construct a flop leading range that would completely wreck you if you play this way. (Have you ever tried to do that yourself or do you just assume your ranges are unexploitable?) My guess is it would involve few hands that have a tough decision to call or fold and a bunch of hands that are bet/3betting, putting the decision back on you to call or fold on the flop.

I don't know why you are soliciting advice from a bunch of low stakes players when you've already crowned yourself King of Poker.

Wow your such a master. How come you arent a high stakes player yet with your mindblowing skillset?

You should fight with Phil Ivey, Negreanu, Scott Seiver and Doug Polk instead of horrible low stakes villains.

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Not raising AA is amazingly bad.

You only think that because you haven't yet understood that no matter what you do, your EV of any response will be close to $0 at best, and whatever your response, you will often be folding the best hand or calling down with a losing hand.

All, no trolling strat threads, even if you think OP is asking for it.

OP, an unknown women LLSNL player's range to donk in to the PF raiser is by default very strong. Yes, you should be folding the majority of the time.

I think you op answers the question, though I'm folding QQ- otf. Not sure why you would call with 2 overs.

Yes, I'd call based on your range. Again, my pfr range would likely be tighter with 5 yet to act in this particular spot.

Sure. You have to also remember that I will give up on some of the bluffs I raise on the flop, and some of the bluffs on the turn I'll give up on the river.

Let's say you are facing me and have AQo.

Here's the EV at the moment of betting and w/ a plan of shoving against a reraise or check/calling down turn+river if I just flat.

Note I call a flop rereaise shove 53% of the time with KK,44,AKs,QhJh,QhTh,JhTh,AKo and have 87% equity, and each of these hands is an easy, easy call against any possible shoving range (except maybe a range of only sets, but AA-KK 3-bet pre mostly, and very few actually have a range that tight).

EV = .16($40) + .29 (.47($125) + .53(.87(-$280) + .13($360))) + .55(unknown EV when I just flat)

EV = $6.4 - $13.4 + .55(unknown EV when I just flat) = -$7 + .55(unknown EV when I just flat).

So you will get the opportunity to shove flop with AQ 29% of the time and the EV of shoving in that case is -$46. And note AQ is near the top of your range, assuming AA and KK are 3-bet preflop.

It's tough to find the "unknown EV when I just flat" and you seem most interested in reraising me on the flop so I'll stop there.

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