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03-19-2017 , 02:13 AM

6bet me

Pooh-Bah

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Saturday night playing $2/$5 at the casino.

Villain ($500) - Very drunk early 20's white guy. Just sat down recently, so I don't have a read on him.

Hero ($500) - Young reg, TAG image.

Villain raises to $40 UTG
Hero flats $40 in MP with JTss

Flop ($80, HU) is Jc Th 9h
Villain checks
Hero bets $75
Villain shoves all-in for $460

After a few seconds, villain announces "if you have the best hand I'll just muck. We don't even need to see a turn or river card."

I tank for a bit and villain repeats himself "if you call and show me that you're in front, I'll just throw my cards away. You can just take it."

Thoughts???

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03-19-2017 , 02:17 AM

Jamitontheriver

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03-19-2017 , 02:25 AM

Keaton

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This screams KQ. Fold.

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03-19-2017 , 02:57 AM

OvertlySexual

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Fold pre.

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03-19-2017 , 07:41 AM

venice10

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Two pair is no good here. Fold pf, fold now.

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03-19-2017 , 08:10 AM

JacetheMind

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Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 306

As played, call it off. If Villain has KQ then that obviously sucks, but his range is definitely wider than just those two cards. AA, KK, QQ, AQ, and depending how drunk he is, even more.

Also, fold pre. You aren't deep enough with villain to be calling an 8x raise pre with JTss.

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03-19-2017 , 09:25 AM

johnny_on_the_spot

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Without history, I default to population tendencies especially with a verbal declaration like this.

So you can probably write off any hand that could make a better hand than a set with 1 card right off the bat, any Qx, Kx, Axhh, 8x if he has any, or obv JJ, TT, 99, because the V would have a descent amount of outs vs any hand we have and wouldn't ship and then just give that up (ps - his verbal declination to muck if behind isn't binding). Also note that we didn't snap call, which means we obv don't have KQ.

I just think this is a fold because it seems like he wants a call and is trying to convince us to call. Obv pre is marginal at best

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03-19-2017 , 10:35 AM

spikeraw22

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Preflop is not marginal. It's awful.

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03-19-2017 , 11:50 AM

JDT123

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Fold pre with these stack sizes, if you were 200+BB's and feel you have an edge post flop then I'm all for it

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03-19-2017 , 11:52 AM

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Buster65

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Originally Posted by 6bet me

Hero ($500) - Young reg, TAG image.

Villain raises to $40 UTG
Hero flats $40 in MP with JTss

Not even a little bit.

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03-19-2017 , 12:24 PM

#11

Amanaplan

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Pretty spewy adjustment, but once you got everything you wanted (called the drunk wide, flopped two pair, bet pot, got shoved on) you need to call it off. He's not throwing his cards away if you show and you're obv not gonna call the floor.

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03-19-2017 , 12:59 PM

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willperkins

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Preflop: fold

As played, I probably fold, since guy is drunk and just sat down, you will probably have better opportunities to get his money

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03-19-2017 , 04:54 PM

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BackDoorFlush

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Originally Posted by spikeraw22

Preflop is not marginal. It's awful.

This.

As played, call. You have top two on a soaking wet board. No way I'm folding now.

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03-20-2017 , 01:20 AM

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monikrazy

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Fold top 2 vs drunk villain in a spot where hero's line makes no sense?

I don't think so

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03-20-2017 , 01:44 AM

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valiantcalls

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I'm genuinely curious, why is it so bad to flat pre in position here with JsTs? I mean I understand against general 3! ranges it's performing poorly but against a drunkie with position...

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03-20-2017 , 01:45 AM

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Redskins 47

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Pay absolutely no mind to his drunken banter and get your playing discs in the middle.

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03-20-2017 , 02:26 AM

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Toomin

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Originally Posted by valiantcalls

I'm genuinely curious, why is it so bad to flat pre in position here with JsTs? I mean I understand against general 3! ranges it's performing poorly but against a drunkie with position...

Drunk players can have hands too. People on here, the ones who make money at this don't like variance. JsTs into a 3bet is going to be swingy as hell for your bankroll.

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03-20-2017 , 03:42 AM

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goat lover

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2 PAIR IS 2 PAIR..... DUDE HAS AA.... HES PRAYING FOR A KING AND WANTS YOUR PLAYING DISCS....SNAP CALL

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03-20-2017 , 03:51 AM

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Keaton

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Villain cannot wait for you to call so he can proudly table his KQ and victoriously announce to the table "see, I told him I'd muck if he was ahead...but I have the nuts so I guess I can't!!" or something predictably unfunny along those lines.

Also, you're tanking and he is talking. He sees you're considering a fold and is doing all he can to coax you into a call. This villain is putting on a live tell clinic, making this an easy fold.

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03-20-2017 , 04:22 AM

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cicakman

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Typically I'd call here as played, pre is easy muck, but the speech makes me want to fold.

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03-20-2017 , 04:31 AM

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Hardball47

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Originally Posted by spikeraw22

Preflop is not marginal. It's awful.

LOL?

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03-20-2017 , 08:19 AM

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JacetheMind

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Originally Posted by Hardball47

LOL?

Calling an 8x UTG raise 100bb deep with JTss in MP is awful. There shouldn't be a ton of discussion there.

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03-20-2017 , 11:38 AM

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Nippleman

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Originally Posted by JacetheMind

Calling an 8x UTG raise 100bb deep with JTss in MP is awful. There shouldn't be a ton of discussion there.

Or if you are going to call, and the flop hits you, know what you are going to do when a V c/r or bets.

As it stands, I probably fold. There are too many hands you are behind and I agree that the guy is screaming K-Q. Hell, even 9-8 or Q-8 isn't impossible and he just tilts if YOU have K-Q.

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03-20-2017 , 12:43 PM

#24

sai1b0ats

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Originally Posted by 6bet me

Villain ($500) - Very drunk early 20's white guy. Just sat down recently, so I don't have a read on him.

pre-flop is such a standard fold. with no read, it is complete spew.

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03-20-2017 , 02:02 PM

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SillyRabbit

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Talk usually indicates strength and with no reads, I have to assume this guy is strong. That said betting pattern screams draw because a flopped straight would usually raise smaller here. Since villain is drunk I can assume he isn't thinking straight and thus I discount the fact that raise size seems too big for a maid hand. So I fold, and hope for a better spot vs the drunk.

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