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Old 06-15-2016, 08:45 PM   #1
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2/5 QQ Tought Spot Preflop

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Villain 1: Young 20s asian 2/5 reg who likes to apply pressure in a lot of spots where he believes he has good equity against villain's perceived range. Good friend of hero and has a good idea of his range preflop. Raises all PP, suited connectors 78+, and broadways from all positions. Views hero as super tight preflop so gives him credit when I apply pressure on any street. Has about $1500 stack to begin the hand

Villain 2: Young 20s asian 2/5 reg. Also a friend of heros and villain 1. Plays a rather standard TAG strategy. 3betting range is pretty rigid at around JJ+, AQ+. Sitting at around $600.

Villain 3: Nitty MAWG fish at the table who has been surviving by nursing his stack by limp shoving kings in 3 separate occasions. Sitting at around 250 to start the hand.

Hero: Tables been revolving around 4 major fish and thus hero has been playing relatively tight and rarely bluffing vs the marks unless the board texture is good for me and my range. Won a large pot earlier vs a fish with TT on a KKT board vs villain's AK when we got it in on the river. Has about $950 to start the hand.

Preflop: Villain 1 UTG+1 raises to 20, Villain 2 in MP raises to 55(sizing tell? would usually expect him to raise larger with his premium pocket pairs in this spot, especially vs a UTG range that he probably perceives as strong), Villain 3 in the small blind shoves all in for 250. Hero is in the big blind and has a decision to make with QQ
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Old 06-15-2016, 10:35 PM   #2
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Re: 2/5 QQ Tought Spot Preflop

Not loving the spot. V2's noted range is probably understated when you consider this is a 3bet from UTG+1 against a UTG raise. So pop take JJ and AQo from the range and you aren't in great shape. And if V3 is really nitty - then i don't like your hand at all (not even mentioning that V1 could even wake up with a big hand.

Obv the mitigating point is that they may all be conterfeiting each other with AK's - but you have nothing in the pot - I'd let it go and enjoy the show.
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Old 06-15-2016, 10:48 PM   #3
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Re: 2/5 QQ Tought Spot Preflop

Don't think you can flat here given stack sizes and the fact that if V2 continues he's shoving anyway. So, this is a shove or fold for me.

Thinking about it not at the table, I fold. A short-stacked, nitty MAWG just 4-bet shoved. I assume his range is AA, KK, QQ (which we block), some combos of AK and maybe some combos of JJ. We're not doing great against that range. If there weren't others in the hand, I'd probably call. However, V1 and V2 are both uncapped here, unless you read a lot into V2's sizing. We'd be risking our stack for the privilege of hopefully racing against V3's AK, and sometimes we're way behind V3. So, I fold and don't tell anyone. in game I probably shove though so wouldn't fault you if you did the same.
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:02 PM   #4
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Re: 2/5 QQ Tought Spot Preflop

Nitty MAWG has limp-shoved KK three times and still only has $250? Seems like the read on him is key here.
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:42 PM   #5
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Re: 2/5 QQ Tought Spot Preflop

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Nitty MAWG has limp-shoved KK three times and still only has $250? Seems like the read on him is key here.
Yeah he was a loose passive fish who would call too loose preflop and wither down his stack and then repeat the cycle everytime he he had kings apparently.
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Old 06-16-2016, 12:05 AM   #6
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Re: 2/5 QQ Tought Spot Preflop

Seems like a standard fold against a nitty 4! range.
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Old 06-16-2016, 12:56 AM   #7
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Re: 2/5 QQ Tought Spot Preflop

Seems nitty but fold and don't tell anyone...
With side pot ranges and a player with a tight shipping range, Fold is best, if the shover was a degen fish, I could see a cold call being okay.
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Old 06-16-2016, 11:37 PM   #8
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Re: 2/5 QQ Tought Spot Preflop

not that tough of a fold - no real reason to get involved imo.

it's just a bad spot even if you are good sometimes.
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Old 06-17-2016, 04:10 AM   #9
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Re: 2/5 QQ Tought Spot Preflop

Snap fold. Not a tough spot
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