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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Here's what Im saying....lets say you have no read at all. You are a bot with no reading abilities at all and the only info you have to go on is the fact that you got raised.
If you fold every time you get raised (when you have something like a 1 pair hand and not a big hand) you will come out ahead long term than if you continue in the hand.
In other words, when you get raised your first instinct should be to fold. People are passive and they raise when they are very confidant they are ahead so they usually are. Now if you know the guy is a tough player and will raise with a draw, or a gutshot and overcards or whatever...then that's an entirely different situation, but in that spot you do have a read.
Try it over your next 500 hours. Record your results when you get raised. If there's $50 in the pot and you bet $35 and get raised.....if you lose the hand you lose whatever amount you put in after the $35. If you win the hand you get credit for the $50 plus the $35 plus whatever else you win after that point.
Fold every time we get raised with a 1p hand? Like we fold AA on J86tt to any raise? Or for a more extreme example fold AAsc on J86sss?
Also we aren't bots. I often call suspicious raises with one pair hands, even if I have no hand history with the villain. I'm usually correct in my read.
Granted if we suck at reading boards and people it might be better to just fold almost always.
You play in what you have repeatedly claimed is one of the toughest rooms in the country and in particular one of the nittiest. And you play days right?
Maybe in your games if you get raised it's time to fold one pair hands but I find plenty of people raising draws, combo draws, pair+draw, and TP that I'm only snap folding overpairs to known nits and old men.
Just the other day I had this hand.
A
:K
MP
UTG+1 25 I 75 LJ calls UTG+1 calls
Flop (225) A
:Q
:4
UTG+1 x I 100 both call
Turn (525) A
:Q
:4
4
:
UTG+1 x. I 175 meaning to 200. LJ ships 600. UTG+1 folds.
I had zero history with this guy. Just sat down. Normally this is an easy fold because what on earth do I beat? But people here will try to blow you off chops and he was acting very suspicious. He immediately started playing with his phone after the bet and wouldn't look at the board or me. I tanked about a minute and called and I felt pretty good about it, and I chopped vs AK as I thought I was. Super lucky? Maybe, but if so I'm super lucky in these kinds of spots a lot.
Another from a few days earlier. Again I had zero history with the guy.
9
:9
: CO 4 limps I 35 button + BB + limpers call
Flop (210) J
7
6
:
X to me. This is usually a x but several players look uninterested. I 100. BTN takes about 30s then stacks his chips slowly and goes all in for 295 total. Folds to me. I'm getting 605:195 so I need to hold up about 25%. I'm heavily discounting sets and even AJ as he just took so long to decide to ship. I think he has mostly draws.
I call. Board bricks out and I win vs A
5
I don't make these kinds of calls a lot but when I do I'm almost always right. I can't even find a recent example where I called a 1 pair hand and my read was incorrect.
My point is...I think it depends on the room, the day of the week, the typical play of that room, the time of day, etc., as to whether we should snap fold 1 pair hands vs. unknowns. And more than that we can often get information even from unknowns to help us decide.