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02-03-2015 , 08:18 PM
I have to register my objections to a lot of the claims in this thread (though I eventually come to the same decision). Yes, most relatively unknown LLSNL Villains are bad. But they're NOT bad in the ways that make Tx more likely here! LLSNL Villains call too much, which does put more Tx in V's pf range, but also puts more 7x in it. LLSNL Villains do not go for thin value often enough, and they rarely raise the turn & river without what they consider to be the effective nuts against our hand. Both of these make Tx way less likely. This is a MUCH stronger line than most unknowns would take with Tx; they're usually just stationing us down with it.

I did settle on calling, but it's pretty thin. There are so few combos we lose to, but the problem is it's also so rare to see this line with hands we beat, hence OP's original question. We're bluff/spazz-catching, because V's line is flat out terrible for value with anything but TT or quads. I don't think folding is nearly as unreasonable, nor this decision as obvious, as everyone is saying.
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02-03-2015 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
How is shoving a good play? We never will get called by worse and will only get called by better.

AP, call. Lots of Tx and busted straight draws will bet here now we've apparently given up. However I won't be surprised to see quads here.
I would think Tx would call a shove.

People don't like folding full houses. Sure it's thin but I still think he calls Tx for $200ish more.

I probably just call but shoving has merits
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02-03-2015 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by djevans
I would think Tx would call a shove.

People don't like folding full houses. Sure it's thin but I still think he calls Tx for $200ish more.

I probably just call but shoving has merits
I know I look result oriented but Tx after a turn x/r is goingto be very rare. I have seen some ******ed stuff so it's possible.. But rare.

Puke at this hand, we can get away on every other turn card but a 7. Also raise more pre I thought this was 1/2 with the sizings.
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02-04-2015 , 12:35 AM
Why did you call the turn if the river effectively blanked and you want to fold? V knows that you (in a vacuum) are never folding to a river bet, his line is valuetown, and given TT-AA, 76/87s, you're getting a little better than 2:1 with the following:
ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
138 trials (Exhaustive)
board: T7774
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
TT-AA, 76s, 87s71.74% 966
QQ28.26% 366

Edit, lol results, I wanted to add a combo of A7s but thought it was too wide for Vs description
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