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Originally Posted by Garick
Three streets of 2.5x overbets? If so, I'm moving north, but given your previous HHs I'd be impressed if all three were over half pot, tbqh.
HH1 was from flop-river: 1/3, 1/2, 1/3
HH2 was from flop-river: 2/3, 4/5, 1/3
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Originally Posted by XtraScratch8
A-10 is calling a 2.5x shove here...?
Random 10x is calling 2.5x here...?
...wuttttt?
I thought I was misinterpreting what you wrote, and maybe you’d be trying to fold out better Qx by doing this, but ya, this seems questionable to me (this isn’t me saying it’s absolutely wrong).
The hands I see calling are Q-10, 10-7, 77/10’s, AQ and maybe KQ.
So no, I don’t know that what you’re saying isn’t true and I’m not trying to be difficult and I’m not saying your coach sucks either. I’m just saying I do not comprehend.
He made me scratch my head. I'm almost 100% sure that all Qx are calling a 2.5x shove...I definitely expect AT and some worse Tx calling a "normal bet," but I wasn't so sure about the shove. He seemed pretty adamant that AT was at least calling a shove, and I can see it. I'm conflicted, but he's probably right. As I said, I originally would've bet super small or checked. I do love Bart Hanson's quote "if you're never value owning yourself, you aren't value betting enough." Obviously that doesn't fully apply here, but I think I get a little gunshy at making these types of shoves - though I have no problem going for razor thin value. I definitely value own myself at least once, on average, per session.
I really think you're underestimating the stickiness of live poker players. I wouldn't pull a stunt like this online, and I honestly don't know how I feel about doing it live either, but I don't see only better hands calling. I just don't see any way these guys are folding worse Qx.
I did tell my coach "I would bet super small or check, before hearing your advice," and he says that he doesn't like betting super small because it allows the villains to play perfectly otf. He says he doesn't like checking because it lets them realize their equity more, and our hand is too strong to check/we are missing out on value.
He did say that he's shoving the turn as played, and that he's calling the river as played.