8 handed ~850 effective. Don't think i remember flop suits here not very important as played imo

Middleage asian random guy opens to 10 UTG hero calls with 77. 2 or 3 other calls . BB (covers) and is only good player at table, completes after asking if it was raise or straddle.

($50)Flop ~5 ways, not too relevant imo. A55hcc. Checks around.

Turn 7h. Checks around

River Qh

BB bets $30. UTG calls. Hero makes it $150. Folds back to BB after a tank by someone but he's half high or drunk. BB 3bets to $350 UTG folds.

Hero ?!?!? I think given both my line and villans line he only does this with quads. Do we ever not get it in on river? Feel like I'm talking too mubsy, however even though this player is TAG with some looseness that I've seen before and can bluff but it's not a super lag by any means, but definitely 8+ bb/hr winner.

Do we just have to give him the money since he probably doesn't even complete with A5o here and given I don't remember the suits only a couple A5s combos and I'm not sure if he 3bets with that given I could have 77. Kinda lost here a bit but could be my 200hr run bad/leaky(?) Stretch I'm having

Halp

Also think that UTG sometimes has some weirdly played Ax once in a while which can obv eliminate BB combos. UTG did say he had an A FWIW and he was a weird tight passive pre and post.

ez call. He asks if it was a straddle or not, what diff would that make if he had 55? Would he raise 55 if it was a straddle but because it was a minraise he's now just going to flat? He most likely asked if it was a straddle because he has complete trash and is assessing his risk threshold of being raised if he limps in with 25cc.

There's a chance he 3bets the river with his strong trips, probably 100% 3bets with all his boats, and possibly even 1% of the time he goes for a bluff because he thinks he has a read or you annoy him and he just wants to win a pot and figures you fold everything that isnt a boat, etc etc etc. Plenty of reasons to call. If we're $2000 deep im not gettting it in but 100-200BB is trivial.

He doesn't complete with trash, I said he's TAG but not extremely agro on that point. Tight pre but not a nit. He asked just as to know how to precede against UTG if it was a straddle or raise but yes not really impt when he just calls pre. I have only played about 10 hrs at his table the last few weeks . Have seen him open limp AJo one time but there must have been a reason given table as he's not loose passive. I believe he plays long sessions and I've seen him with 3k-4k a few times in the last couple weeks (cap is 1k) Never seen him pre covid when I'd play 20 hrs a week, so he must be new to the area in the last year, but he seems to know a few people , is mid 40s guy. Also knows that I'm kinda tight pre but also knows I'm the only one in the hand that knows what's going on. I don't think he is bluffing me at that sizing given my line I am telling very narrow myself. Question was do we need to GII far more often than just calling the river 3 bet given we aren't super deep? Also don't think he checks 5x on turn 5 ways

Ugh. A5 is the only thing that makes much sense. If I was really good, I would fold. I'm not that good, so I'm calling it off.

Bet the turn. Slam dunk shove now. You're repping flushes so he can do this with any boat. 75s, Q5s, A5s could all be in his range, maybe even some offsuit combos at some frequency. 55 is only one combo you lose to.

A5s is twice as likely as 55
A5 in general is 6x as likely

Sometimes people get tunnel vision and think solely about one thing and completely miss something else, ie, V could also be focused on they’re BDFD getting there than someone having a FH.


Regardless, cram it in. If V has 55, that sucks, but you’re gonna go broke with the 4th nuts here, especially when 2nd nuts seem unlikely do to previous action. 3rd nuts unlikely too, but not all Vs will 3! QQ from the blinds

i just can't get with pre-flop. I'm pretty much never flatting here, 100% re-raising in this spot. treat the min raises for what they represent. this is a wild guess by me but there are like .05% of combos that are profitable to min raise under the gun and 77 has an equity edge vs those, therefore it's gonna be 40 to go pf

bet the flop, you have plenty of showdown value and can be on a pure bluff to win this pot as well also being able to fold out higher pairs, 2 outs to suck vs any 5 that pays you off and best of all, it's cheap and good for your image to stab on the flop and you can bet full pot

$50 on flop

river he has all of the A5 as he is defending his blind needing only 20% equity even has the one combo of Q5s, never has Q or A full, so you have to call and no shame in getting beat by quads

as played, give the man his money, correct play is definitely a shove give that there is only 1 combo of 55

All in. There's really nothing to think about here.

If he somehow flatted with QQ preflop then VNH, GG etc.

Worrying about quads here is textbook MUBS.

V had 55. As for guy who said raise pre, I didn't want to raise fold at this table as everyone else was pretty straight forward and not deep enough for me to be calling 3bets oop. Also V 100% would be raising QQ here pre for the guy who mentioned that lol.

You got coolered. Could you have prevented it? No. Could you have diagnosed it and saved money? Not really.

So...what's to think about? Rebuy--or leave--and move on. You might ask V what kind of car he drives so you can go out to the parking lot and deflate all his tires.

I realize that losing with a boat sucks, but really, there are very few situations where you could muck a FH with a clear conscience, and this isn't one of them.

Pretty sure OP is asking if he should 4-bet allin or just call. Not sure why people keep bringing up folding. That's just too absurd to consider.

i think losing to quad 5s is pretty trivial, but preflop it's pretty hard to get paid off on sets in a family pot, just not enough money in there and raise fold is fine here imo but i like to get 77 heads up in position and make it hard for villain to min raise, if he actually had queens and min raises with that he almost loses money if he's not a good flop player, so play vs the range not the hand imo and i think it's really good for your image and bankroll to raise this pre because flopping the set in this hand isn't going to be worth as much, people will come up with all sorts of hands here and you are just set mining with negative implied odds, so raise or fold for me and i don't like folding, so raise 100% and i think it will show a long term profit, 77 is a strong hand HU vs a min raising range in position, if he back raises and makes you fold you only lose the 40 and could lose much more just taking a flop, so for variance control and profit, raise 100% to a min raise

Venice's comment that 'if he was really good, he might fold,' might be why... Only way I could fold for 200 more there is if V exposed their hand at some point. You made great arguments upthread for shipping, IMHO.

It's a cooler; it happens. LOL at V slowplaying flopped quads all the way. Hilarious if V never found anyone with a hand and ended up making only the 30 additional bucks on the river.

I couldn't figure out why people were seemingly concerned about V having A5.

I don't think this V completes multiway with A5o as noted before so it's just A5s and 55 don't know what the math is as far as more likely one of those than the other as states before using all unsuited combos of A5 which Im not giving unless shown otherwise by V

Also thinking back there is a 50% chance he was in SB which then I probably give even greater chance he never has A5o fwiw not trying to justify anything just replaying and not 100% Sure it was bb or sb

I'm a touch confused. Did you end up calling or shoving? If you called, I can't see why you're bummed---other than it's a cooler, and those suck especially when we're running bad---given Browni's logic upthread. By his logic, you should've shoved.

You're underrepped, IMHO, after the turn check, R/C on the river seems appropriate here.

I mentioned A5, merely because I couldn't see why people were going on and on about it, like it was a bad thing.

V didn't play the hand well, IMO. Esp with an A on the flop.

If he's smart he asked before he looked at his cards.

Bet the turn, for crying out loud. The flop checked through and it's multiway. Why wouldn't you want to win something in the pot?

As played it's really hard to ever have a read good enough to not shove all the chips in. You can get value from enough that it makes sense. I hope you really weren't asking about folding.

I agree it's absurd, but OP specifically mentioned his fear of 55 (nothing results-oriented there, I'm sure!) so if you're going to beat yourself up for not shoving as though you could see hole cards, I suppose you beat yourself for not folding too?

Yeah, don't fold, and pretty much always fine to shove I think.

I don't get that either. Were multiple people just misreading the hands? What am I missing?

Not everyone play their A game 24 a day, even the best regs spew. Jamming and moving on. You can’t worry about the nuts ever hand if you want to get better at poker.

Don’t read too much into tells or TAG/LAG when you have the effective nuts, you are leaving $$ on the table by calling and it makes you a target for him in the future if he seems you do this.

He'd have to flip the quads face up for me to not shove here.

If he doesn't have AA and doesn't have QQ, and ONLY has a FH, his range is reasonably A5s (2 combos) and 55 (1 combo). That's still a +EV shove.

This is a cooler. If you didn't shove and got off cheap, that's obviously good for you in this spot, but long term that will cost you money because you should pile it here and will be good more than not.

I call the river 3b

Yes I did just call the river 3bet thanks all