2-5, I've been very active but haven't seen a whole lot of resistance yet. I'm mid thirties and probably viewed as a losing amateur. Villain is mid 20's, wearing a beanie, with a 7 day old beard, who hasn't played many hands at all, but seems competent. Effective stack is 1000

Preflop, I raise UTG to 20 with 1010 villain calls UTG+1, 3 other callers including SB.

Pot is 97 after rake (8 dollar rake)

Flop is 742

SB checks, I bet 50, villain makes it 150, folded around back to me, I call
Pot is 397

Turn is 7

I check, villain bets 175, I call
Pot is 747

River is J

I check, villain shoves for 630

Thoughts on all streets appreciated

Interested to hear thoughts too.

The only hand you beat is a flush draw and possibly a smaller pp, but I doubt he raises those -- have you seen him play draws aggressively? I probably just fold on the flop to this V. As played, I'd definitely fold on the river.

If you think your 10s are ahead on the flop, just raise him then or lead turn. If you lead turn and he raises, fold.

I would need more info on the opponent to call 2nd pair for 200 bbs. V has been quiet, tight and seems competent. He could be raising draws with over hearts OTF, perhaps setting a price with a weak turn bet.

Pre – table dependent, still I’m raising more UTG with so many yet to act; $30.

Flop – I’d bet more since this is 5-way, perhaps evaluating a B/F depending on the opponent. Many, many danger turns.

Turn - I’d fold turn and give credit until proven otherwise. Raising seems committal and may not price-out combo/draws. Calling and hoping for a river check back, or hitting a 2-outer may be too much to hope for.

I am not a nit but im folding flop to this type of player. I think a FD would donk out more than c/r it. It looks like an over pair higher than tens or a set.

I like leading out larger to around $65-$70 but oh well...

Without seeing any bluffs or creative plays from V...I'd have to give him credit on the flop and let it go. I'd feel like a nit but from what you said you haven't seen any resistance up until now...now you are so get away from it. If you had position on V then would probably peel one off in that situation and check out turn....OOP let it go without reads. With 4 other V's in hand and in EP...it's much more likely he flopped a set rather than flush or straight draw.

Villain did not c/r, we are OOP to Villain.

I think Villain can be doing this much wider than others are saying. AJhh+ should all be in play, as are combo draws like 56hh, 35hh, etc. We beat many of those combos.

Stop paying 8 bucks in rake pre

V may not feel comfortable 3-betting a UTG open without a nutty range so he can have hands like 99-QQ, AQ, AK here

Don't mind flatting flop, can't just fold every time our cbet gets raised

Turn we need a plan before the dealer even puts a finger on the burn card. What cards are good/bad for us and villain? Are we ever leading into him? How much are we prepared to call? Personally I like folding turn to avoid river spots like this one

As played you were set up for a ~pot sized river shove. We should be ready for this if we're calling turn. I don't know what to tell you because I'm never in this spot.

Edit: you can call if you really think he has busted hearts. The Jd is basically a brick since its hard for his over card range to hit that (except maybe AJhh). I don't think he shows up with busted hearts a lot - he would probably take a free card on the turn maybe? I think we're beat too often here to make this call

omg sorry I thought he was the sb. the non-c/r does change things very slightly but I am still not crazy with the hand calling 100 on top to a guy who hardly plays any hands. you would think someone like that would play his draws more passive and he did raise 3x with 5 players on to the flop.

We have to decide now if we're going to showdown (expensively) with 1010 which is not likely to improve against a tight player or bailing out.

What range are we putting villain on flop/turn, and how does that change with river? I feel like AJheart checks back the river, especially since my hand screams overpair. I think A7heart is definitely in his range, and his bet sizing makes sense on the turn with that, as well as sets. I don't think he plays any overpair, let alone a smaller overpair like this (probably is checking back turn or checking back river). I'm not even sure he would call preflop with a hand like 65. He definitely wouldn't have one of those heart draws plus gut shot (85).

I think we have to peel flop because there are so many draws out there that we are ahead of, and not many players can fire 3 barrels on a bluff. I think my mistake is calling the turn. I think that's when it's a fold, especially when A7 is in his range and maybe even 87 which both improved.

I honestly have seen him play maybe a handful of hands, and none of them went to showdown in the few hours we've been playing together.

If we raise flop, are we calling if he pushes? Aren't we better off calling and seeing what peals off on the turn?

$20 was the standard open when first in, and I didn't want to deviate from that too much because I open very wide (1010 is the waaaaaaay top of my range).

I agree that I could've bet more on the flop, but I was continuing in a lot of multiway pots and wanted to stay fairly consistent with my bet sizings to be about half pot. I think I play later streets better than most (not this hand) so I don't mind pricing in draws as much.

Turn: I agree

Absolutely he can have 99-QQ preflop, maybe even KK, but I honestly think he checks those back either on turn or river. Busted hearts is pretty much the only hand I can beat from the line he took. My question is can he have that enough to justify a call? I think the general thought from this thread is "no, he can't have it enough to justify the call."

Oh and I agree, can't believe I pay 8 dollars for rake. No choice though, it's the only place to play within 50 miles.

I'm folding flop or folding turn. This is the problem with being oop and being deep. We are left playing guessing games. I prefer folding flop because we should know that we could be facing a decision for our stack with only 1 pair. I'm not ok with flatting flop unless there is a plan. We have a competent villian raising our C bet in a multi way pot. We can easily get away from this on the flop.

If the plan was to call flop and fold the turn on bad cards then I hate that plan. We really only like non heart cards under 10 except for a 7. We could be saving our money and folding flop. Now we are in a crappy spot wondering how often villan is bluffing in this spot. I'd guess that no it isn't, especially with no real reads on villan. His bet is polarizing but we don't know if he is good enough to balance that with bluffs or just nutted hands like boats or trips.

All this talk about his range don't really matter if he doesnt balance it/if he is competent and he assumes you aren't because you're an unknown to him.

I think it's very simple : your perceived range after flop call: sets, TT+, AhQh+.
You have few reads, he should have even less, he doesn't know you can fold those hands : no ****s given, still bets the turn (value bet). Turbo muck.

For me it all depends how active and how tight. If you are raising pre flop and calling a raise 1+ times per orbit, and you are c betting air into this many players all day with this small bet sizing, hopefully you are doing so to induce here. Villain is not playing many hands, is it so few that you can limit his range to 100% pocket pairs given he's called a raise pre? If he's calling raises pre here and there, specially if he's starting to call more of ours, and we are c-betting all day long after raising a lot pre, I look this guy up sometimes. Soul read a bit, and does he look like he's capable of at least saying, "This guys got $#@$! I'll raise. Oh crap he does got an overpair this time, I hope I can bluff my way outta this!" to himself? Against the right guy if I'm beat here it's often 7dXd, but he usually has a different busted draw, as weak as bottom pair ace. Once and awhile a boat - good for him - he's a decent player. If he's like only holding a pocket pair, and we are checking this board with air it's and ez fold. That being said my calling % in this spot is very low on average @ 2/5.