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05-06-2017 , 07:29 PM
Hero has been pretty standard TAG. Fairly inactive as of late as card dead. $650
Villain has also been pretty tight. Table overal is fairly loose.


EP ($1.1k) opens to $20. He has been LAG
MP ($600) calls. Tight abc
HJ ($500) calls. Tight abc.
Btn ($500) calls. Bad rec
Hero SB AKo $100.
Villain BB cold 4! to $200.

Hero? Thanks
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05-06-2017 , 08:09 PM
how much does the BB have?

If he's tight, nothing wrong with folding.
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05-06-2017 , 08:17 PM
Min raise? I'd call if it folds around, HU to the flop. Unless he's shown AA every time he 4! . Clearly has a big pair but I feel like it shows weakness if you're 3!/fold .. at this point you can assume it's a flip. . But I'm a beginner still learning, do I make sense? Also how much does V have behind?

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05-06-2017 , 08:41 PM
^you should never call a 4! Because your worried about looking weak..... 1) who cares, 2) tell everyone you had 74 and we're just monkeying....
To a 4! From the majority of the llsnl community you can comfortably fold anything except aa or kk and feel good about it...
I probably jam, I'm never calling, the flop would be 400 with 450 behind, what do we do if there is no a or K..... If you think villan can be making a 4! With qq, you can jam your ak profitably.... If you think he only has aa or kk when he 4!s then you can fold
Anything else he might 4! Makes our jam increasingly better.
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05-06-2017 , 08:47 PM
100 is bad sizing pre from the sb and 4 callers. Minimum 120 but prolly even more.
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05-06-2017 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ronrabbit
^you should never call a 4! Because your worried about looking weak..... 1) who cares, 2) tell everyone you had 74 and we're just monkeying....
To a 4! From the majority of the llsnl community you can comfortably fold anything except aa or kk and feel good about it...
I probably jam, I'm never calling, the flop would be 400 with 450 behind, what do we do if there is no a or K..... If you think villan can be making a 4! With qq, you can jam your ak profitably.... If you think he only has aa or kk when he 4!s then you can fold
Anything else he might 4! Makes our jam increasingly better.
I didn't mean it as just calling because it makes you look weak to fold. But i see what you're saying .

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05-06-2017 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
100 is bad sizing pre from the sb and 4 callers. Minimum 120 but prolly even more.
what is your sizing when the pot is like 4+ people? and I have trouble seeing why this is a big issue. what are people calling $100 with but not calling $120 with? does my sizing show any type of weakness? I'm not sure how relevant it is to this hand, but if it is, definitely open to understanding


And sorry, BB has ~$800
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05-07-2017 , 12:07 AM
Turbofold.
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05-07-2017 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ronrabbit
To a 4! From the majority of the llsnl community you can comfortably fold anything except aa or kk and feel good about it...
And I.........:

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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Turbofold
You say Villain has been playing tight & he just tossed in 1/4th of his stack. Even if he only does this with QQ+ & AK, you're a 40% dog to the River [33% to the flop] & money is probably going in OTF if there's no A or K & he has a PP.

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05-07-2017 , 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by jc315
what is your sizing when the pot is like 4+ people? and I have trouble seeing why this is a big issue. what are people calling $100 with but not calling $120 with? does my sizing show any type of weakness? I'm not sure how relevant it is to this hand, but if it is, definitely open to understanding


And sorry, BB has ~$800
It's just majority of your equity and best case scenarios come from everyone folding pre or getting hu. When you make it 100 oop it's too little for everyone to call with the increased potential dead money. It also starts a cascade effect and people will say dumb **** like "we'll I was gonna fold if he did, guess I can't now"

So I'd make it a 120-150 depending on villains I guess.
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05-07-2017 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jc315
what is your sizing when the pot is like 4+ people?
An extremely general guideline for 3! sizing would be: 3x IP, 4x OOP, and add 1BB per limper. You can and should tweak it depending on a million factors, but I would def go bigger than $100 here. There's 17.5 BB out there, I'd be very happy to take it down pre, rather than play OOP vs the world. Just get through the LAG, and the tighties will not have good setmining odds (or know they have a dominated hand) and melt away.
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