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07-01-2017 , 12:06 AM
villain is one of those guys who should be playing 1/2 but prefers to buy in to the 2/5 deep stack game for 300 at a time

he is one of those guys who will nurse his stack for hours and wait to double on pocket pairs or he will try to take cheap flops with suited connectors

so hes playing his game and hits the nuts on turn in a hand with the ace high flush only to have the board pair

then he rebought and got it in with QQ>>KK

that hand just happened and this is the very next hand

hero is SB KT

folds to v in CO (300) raises to 20

folds to hero who senses tilt
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07-01-2017 , 12:52 AM
It's pretty meh... I think folding = calling (maybe folding is best)> raising as we'd fold out anything we beat and a nit on tilt is still going to have a tight-ish opening range. We're not deep enough to 3bet light either. When we call... how often are we continuing on flops we wiff? If were giving up w/out top pair, 4/5 times we're just donating the $18. If you're sensing tilt, it's leading to a stack-off, & I suppose we might be able to make up the profits for the times we do connect well and give him rope to hand himself... though that's 1/5 times, and it's not like we have 100% equity in those. Being OOP sucks because we're more likely to underrealize our equity, and playing short stacks limits your range severely.
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07-01-2017 , 01:04 AM
you're wondering if considering villain tilty mindset, are we gettin the implied odds to call pre?

I think one of the important aspects of live poker is realizing things about players before other players do so that you can first crack at profitable spots. I generally am willing to gambol a lil here and would flat. I dont see any sense in raising, I doubt he's going to fold but I would wager he'll put money in bad.

That standard answer of folding i think comes with the assumption that our opponent isnt about to spaz with almost his entire range post flop. But im willing to hear an argument otherwise
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07-01-2017 , 06:43 PM
yeah i.mean he is such a nut peddler that i can probably flat pre and win most flops he misses but he is not likely to put money in unless he has it

im envisioning a $40-$5 pot (rake,tip) when i call, so it doesnt make a lot of sense to flat...just no value even when i steal it

on the other hand, villain raised to 20 so im envisioning a suited connector hand he wants to play multiway, and damn if im going to let him

hero raises to 60
villain jams
hero calls!

flop 445J2 and MHIG
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07-01-2017 , 06:52 PM
QQ >> KK implies that QQ sucked out. I'm assuming you meant QQ vs KK and QQ lost.

As for the hand, you have a weak offsuit broadway in the worst position at the table. It's a very trivial fold unless you have enough evidence that he's raising like 60% of hands. I really hope you didn't do something silly like try to 3 bet him off it. And if you call, BB will probably feel priced in and you're gonna be OOP multiway with a classic trouble hand. Wait for a better spot.

EDIT: Just read your last post. Dude wtf...
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07-01-2017 , 07:13 PM
You have KTo in the SB FYI
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07-01-2017 , 07:20 PM
Give him zero action, next hand.
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07-01-2017 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JB Clark
on the other hand, villain raised to 20 so im envisioning a suited connector hand he wants to play multiway, and damn if im going to let him
If he's raising 20-25%, SCs QJs-54s are about 15% of his range. LOL at you rolling a die, having it come up on the number you predicted, and thinking you can soul read dice.

He raised from CO using a completely standard raise size, there was no 'play MW' happening here. 3 limps, he makes it 20, that's goosing the pot, hoping for MW in position, your reasoning to squeeze makes sense and bumping it to 85 could be a great play.

This is spew masquerading as a BBV hand trying to be a HH thread.
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07-01-2017 , 07:34 PM
in a vacuum KTo is an ok hand to 3b sb vs co, also, this guy will never have A7o type hand. he open folds it 100%, because he is a nut peddler and rhat hand wont make the nuts often enough

so, if we exclude all offsuit aces except maybe AQo then we can raise for pure value

i thought this hand was super interesting because even before i looked at my hand i thought his sizing was wierd. He has been here for 6 hours and either limped or opened to 30

that part of the read tho isnt important, what is important is that we have a hand that can be a viable 3b hand vs a tilter, but if we 3! we gotta call it off

i just had a specific read that v likes SCs better than rag aces and went with it but its an interesting pf spot

if we had KJs my play would be std right?
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07-01-2017 , 07:39 PM
In a vacuumn KTo is a fold.
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07-01-2017 , 07:54 PM
Straight spew
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07-01-2017 , 08:37 PM
"He has been here for 6 hours and either limped or opened to 30" classic case of adding info after the OP, obv skews all analysis.

FWIW I ranged V on all PP, A2s+, and all suited cards T9+, all unsuited Broadways, and sc 54s+. That range is 23%. I had no A9o, no K8s. Seems like a reasonable if not a shade too tight range. QJs-54s make up 10% of his range. Trying to peg someone on that thin a part of their range is hubris.

What is his 4bet shoving range? Because you're calling 240 to win 600. You need 40%. If he were to open with above range and shove literally all of it, you have 44%. If he's folding any reasonable amount to your 3, then his 4 is crushing you.

KJs better against his "shoves 100%" range but still crushed vs a wide but reasonable 4! range.

None of this takes into account him calling your 3 and playing poker.
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07-01-2017 , 08:58 PM
just be forewarned that im going to post some hands that sre legit questions and some hands where i LOVE the way i played it.

i def have 40% vs villains range because i had a read that A-rag wasnt part of his raise/shove range

also its very hard to get a hand better than KTo on the CO and he is on immediate tilt so i think my raise/call was correct

v did not show his hand just callex out 8high so im sure he had 89 or 78s which is not nearly as good a hand as A2o on his stack size....but he doesnt know that
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