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05-13-2010 , 01:56 PM

ThePokerFink2

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Table just started, this is the 3rd hand, so pretty readless. BTN is like 80 years old and looks like a nit, but not much read on his actual play. $500 effective stacks to start.

A few limpers, I pop it to $35 with KK in MP, BTN calls, SB calls, 3-way to flop.

Flop 6s 4s 3x
SB checks, I bet $70, BTN calls, SB folds.

Turn 2s
Hero ? ?

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05-13-2010 , 02:04 PM

EightFoldPath

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Is one of your Kings a spade? If not, only going on "old nit" read, fold. Flush, straight, junk two pair ...

What is an old nit calling and leading out with here that KK beats?

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05-13-2010 , 02:06 PM

ThePokerFink2

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Sorry forgot to say I don't have Ks

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05-13-2010 , 02:09 PM

Tom1975

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An old guy calling 35 out of the SB makes me think it's more likely he has 77-QQ than a straight or a flush. I'm torn between betting again and checking and seeing what he does. I'm guessing he won't bet a had worse than ours; then again he might ignore the straight and flush and bet because "I haz an overparr!". A key piece of information is whether you have the King of spades. If you have a spade I'm probably firing again, if not I'm probably checking.

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05-13-2010 , 02:16 PM

monkeymaps

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think id rather b/f something around 120 on the turn than c/c turn and river for sure

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05-13-2010 , 02:16 PM

Tom1975

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The river's close imo. I have a feeling we're beat but we only have to be good here 23% of the time. I think there's a decent chance you'll see a worse overpair that often. I probably make the crying call.

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05-13-2010 , 02:18 PM

Tom1975

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Originally Posted by monkeymaps

think id rather b/f something around 120 on the turn than c/c turn and river for sure

Yeah, but the problem is that your typical 2/5 player is just going to flat your 120 if they did get there. Then what's your plan for the river?

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05-13-2010 , 02:22 PM

ThePokerFink2

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Originally Posted by Tom1975

Old guy is the BTN not the SB.

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05-13-2010 , 02:23 PM

monkeymaps

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Originally Posted by Tom1975

Yeah, but the problem is that your typical 2/5 player is just going to flat your 120 if they did get there. Then what's your plan for the river?

yeah its tough either way, prolly c/f river that type of player likely isnt betting river with a hand we beat and checking back alot of hands.

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05-13-2010 , 02:39 PM

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trussdude

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If you call the turn, call the river.

Expect to see A-A or J-J, Q-Q

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05-13-2010 , 02:52 PM

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whorasaurus

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Originally Posted by Tom1975

Yeah, but the problem is that your typical 2/5 player is just going to flat your 120 if they did get there. Then what's your plan for the river?

my first thought too. in spite of that, I still think it's the best play, and hope he has like 10sTx. so, i'm b/f turn, then c/f river. 80 year olds don't bluff on the river, I can fold there and feel pretty good.

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05-13-2010 , 03:22 PM

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unrealzeal

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old people always seem to underbet their big hands...i'm in the b/f turn camp btw

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05-13-2010 , 04:01 PM

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Man of Means

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Originally Posted by unrealzeal

old people always seem to underbet their big hands...i'm in the b/f turn camp btw

in theory you b/f turn. but in practice old dude flats your bet with 5x and sometimes even with a flush. (planning to raise the river with the nuts; or otherwise bet if you check). so if he calls, do you c/f river?

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05-13-2010 , 04:09 PM

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unrealzeal

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yeah prob

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05-13-2010 , 04:34 PM

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Tom1975

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As played, if we call down on the turn and river, we spend $170 and get to see a showdown.

If we bet $120 on the turn, he calls, then we c/f the river, we only save $50 and we don't get a showdown.

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05-13-2010 , 04:42 PM

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Pretty standard bet flop, b/f turn, c/f river situation imo.

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05-13-2010 , 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Man of Means

Yes because these types never turn made hands into bluffs and rarely bluff period = easy c/f.

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05-13-2010 , 06:24 PM

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unrealzeal

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Originally Posted by Tom1975

As played, if we call down on the turn and river, we spend $170 and get to see a showdown.

If we bet $120 on the turn, he calls, then we c/f the river, we only save $50 and we don't get a showdown.

I think it's pretty intersting that he bet less than I would have bet and that makes my b/f theory pretty bad and OP's line much better

tempted to just fold river as played

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05-13-2010 , 06:26 PM

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Man of Means

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how about two blocking bets? e.g $50, $50

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05-13-2010 , 06:41 PM

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cdog

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seems like an easy call to me on the river

I would expect to see 1010 - QQ here a fair bit

you are getting good odds to call

you have dem pocket kings

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05-13-2010 , 07:10 PM

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csk30

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As Man of Means suggests, I'd go for two obvious (and exploitable) blocking bets. Well more so the river than the turn.

In fact, b/f the turn for like half to 2/3s pot
Bet gay small on the river

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05-13-2010 , 08:24 PM

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Fubster

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bet turn

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