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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Honestly, in the games I play I probably see a 4 bet like once every 100+ hours. I assume Id see more if I played after midnight when stacks get deeper. So Im not going to say Im the authority on 4 bets, but Im pretty sure you aren't going to 4 bet to $250 even IP with AK or anything other than AA/KK..maybe QQ. Its just an obvious "please call me so I can have an easier time stacking you 200BBs deep" raise size.
With AK, I bet you either 4 bet much larger or just call IP. I dont believe youre ever going to 4 bet lite with something like A5s to just $250. IMO, you're giving your hand away to a decent player. If you read a book or watch a training video it probably does say that $250 is the correct amount for AA, but again that's why its so obvious to a good player. This guy may not be good though, I dont know.
This is just me, but Id rather shove and make it look like I have AK than to 4 bet that small. If he has a pocket pair hes not far off from profitably set mining you this deep. Hes calling an additional $140 to win a total of $1130.
To be clear when I said 2.5x is standard 4-bet sizing I meant with my whole range. Not "standard sizing for aces". Having a standard size for specific hands is idiotic and I don't think any books or training vids suggest that but maybe IDK. I'm generally not deviating based on hand strength but will deviate based on villain type, stack sizes, and position.
I do 4 bet light with this sizing. I don't know why you think I have some special sizing with AA vs AK vs QQ vs A5s. Just last week I open T9dd to 20 in HJ an aggressive reg OTB 80 and I 200 because I know he likes to 3 bet light. And he folds and I gets the cookies.
And vs a suspected light squeeze I would 4 bet a lot of hands because I have more fold equity than normal.
Weird how people make so many random assumptions about how I play. Couple sessions ago I open 20 UTG with TT flop 966 goes HU I c-bet and bet a blank turn and get raised all in so I fold. I ask if he had a 6 he says "No I just know you have AK there". I'm like "what? Why?" He says "Because you raised to 20". I'm totally confused but just nod my head like that makes sense because I don't want to admit his fish logic got me to fold an overpair.
Another guy about a week earlier. CO 20 BTN calls I 100 from SB with AK CO calls. Flop AQTtt. I bet half pot and CO folds KK face up. Guy on my left says "What? You're folding Kings?" CO says "there is just too much out there. Aces queens AK tens maybe AQ if he 3 bets it all I beat is jacks" and guy on my left says "but he wouldn't reraise AK to 100" and I laugh and say "what? How do you know what I raise with AK or anything else? We've been here 20 minutes." Dealer jokes "he's writing a book on you".
Point is nobody really knows that much about how another person plays unless they've put in tons of hours with them.
Back to the hand
Mike you think shoving 1k over 110 is a reasonable response here? I never see people playing AK like that. Maybe 100BB deep but not 200BB. And if he does put me on mostly AK it is still really dicey for him to call here with like JJ or even QQ assuming I have bigger pairs even some of the time. I do see people jamming like this sometimes and it's usually AA from old men who don't want to see a flop. Admittedly I've never tried just jamming Aces but it doesn't seem like it would get the desired call much.
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Don't recall who asked this but sLAG is slightly loose aggressive not super loose aggressive. So if a TAG has VPIP/PFR/3B of 16/14/4 a sLAG might be 20/18/6 while a full blown LAG is more like 27/25/8
So this guy is an aggressive and slightly loose player but closer to TAG than LAG I think.