Tuesday night and a very decent table. Straddled pot and I limp in EP with Q10s in clubs. Table was mixed in allowing limps - with a lean toward there being a decent chance it would be an unraised pot with at least a few limpers making it multi-way. 3 callers before the BB who min raises to $25. Straddler calls and all others who had limped call too (as did I). There is $150 in the pot pre.

Flop is A67

SB checks and BB shoves $145. Folds to me and there is a nitty guy sitting behind me that has me covered (my stack was $900) and the SB who had a stack of $300.

I do a quick pot odds calc and figure with the 2nd nut club draw and back door straight draw and giving shover a hand like AJ, I have the right price to play. So I call. I opted not to shove to iso because the bigger stack behind had not acted.

Evaluate my play.

Thanks

check your HH you have a back door fd as posted, do you have clubs?

assuming you have a fd, how do you figure you have the right price to play (with no FE)? are you considering implied odds on the big stack who did not act yet?

How are you going to react to the nit? What would you expect his raising range to be on that board?

I think this is probably fine

I assumed QTs meant suited not spades

Playbig 2000: Yea, I fixed the HH - its Q-10 of clubs. I called based solely on pot odds. I needed to call $145 to win $295 which is better than 2-1. If I assign a range of A10-AK to the shover, I am only a 1.6-1 dog. Issue is the players behind me.

BWSlim: How do I react if the big stack shoves. Great question. I probably have to lay it down because he would likely only do that with a set or maybe even the nut flush draw. In 2 hours of play, this guy had only shown down 3 hands. All top sets! I felt like gambling for $150 but for my whole stack, when I know I am behind, thats a different story.....

Well heres what happened. Player behind with the bigger stack folded but the BB shoved his stack. It was $150 more to me so I have to call that into a $600+ pot. He immediately asked if I had a high flush draw and say yea 2nd nuts. He says, well I cant win. Turn is a J which actually paired his card and put him way ahead but the small club came on the river giving me the pot. Original raiser mucked so not sure what he had.

Thanks for the replies.

Flop is probably a fold

Flop is probably a fold. Ok please elaborate.

I'd guess it's because you're against the nfd sometimes, so you might be drawing dead, and even if not it's fairly thin and very high variance.

Not to say I wouldn't say "**** it let's gamble" myself, tho.

You are breaking even against the bottom of his range and are very often against the top. I'd imagine you have like 27% here versus a reasonable range.

I hate limp preflop . Otherwise I think it's ok

Raising the flop is better than calling

Tough to say with the nitty player behind you. I don't know if there is a huge gap between his calling range in either case.

we are going to showdown with this hand, right? so raising might not be better than just calling and keeping in a weaker flush draw (or getting a weaker flush draw to spazz).

You are a 60/40 dog vs top pair. You are a 73/27 dog vs a set.

You have Queen high FD and you are getting 2 to 1 immediate odds vs all in Villain.

The only way FD's work out to be profitable is to add fold equity and implied odds. You have neither in this situation.

My evaluation is that this is a losing play.

I need the nit to fold Ax and be able to see two cards for anything other than folding flop to be ok.

People fold better and call worse all the time. This is one of those spots. A raise looks like a protection play good Ax and they'll call with a fd because of pots odds/ outs.

Calling flop out of position has to be the worst play.