Hero(BTN): Have only played 2 hands in the last 3 hours. Setmined and missed once. Flopped a boat from BB that checked around, got 3 callers on turn, then got paid by pot sized river bet by 2 players when BD flush got there. Obviously very inactive but no one, and I mean no one is paying attention to this.

V1(BB): Drunk white in 30s who made a massive 3B pre with QJo earlier then called off a check jam on Qxx flop and sucked out against AQ vs a V not in hand. Successfully ran 2 bluffs earlier where he bombed river after flopping no pair no draw and did not improve. Constantly bragging about his bluffs earlier. Extremely aggressive would be an understatement.

V2(MP): Drunk black in 40s very talkative having a good time. I have seen both of his cards every single time for the past 3 hours. Playing almost every hand pre. Called huge turn bets with only gutshot equity on paired boards at least 3 times I can remember. Shows zero aggression when draws miss.

Preflop: Hero is BTN with KK. V2 is BB with JT.
V2(900) raises to 15. 1 caller. Hero(700) raises to 70. V1(800) calls. V2 calls. 1 fold.

Flop(225): QT2
V2 checks. V1 bets 200. Hero jams. V2 snap calls. V1 snap calls.

Factoring in V2's cards, am I just supposed to fold this flop? Without this knowledge I am fist pump jamming GII here, for much deeper to. I feel that once I get 10-15%+ of my stack in pre against a massive fish I can pretty much always stack off with TPTK/big overpair.

you can see this guys cards...

i know why not just call flop and see if flush gets there then play off of tht. seems the least variance tht way since we can easily get away on lots of turn while Vil2 probably continues 100% on turn if someone bets.

The action doesn't make sense. You've identified both vs as the BB in different places in the hand.

Folding out a flush draw that you can see and play against perfectly seems awful.

Let the maniac hang himself. When you shove you give him an opportunity to make the correct play.

And before posters come out of the woodwork to tell you what a douche you are for looking at the guys cards all session.......let me say....don't listen to them. If the guy can't protect his hand, that's not your problem. Poker is a game of information. So take whatever info you can get.

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this is confusing

Sorry for the confusion guys. Completely screwed up the history. Drunk black should be SB next to me and drunk white should be original raiser in MP.

Preflop
White drunk opens to 15 pre. 1 caller inbetween. Hero 3b to 70 on btn. Black drunk calls out of SB. White drunk calls. Caller inbetween folds. 3way.

Flop
Black drunk checks. White drunk donks 200. Hero jams. Both drunks jam.

White drunk is the extremely Aggro maniac and black drunk is the passive maniac.
Hope that makes it easier

Also, pretty douchey of you to look at a drink guys hand all night. I hope you feel good about that...

Why do you think you should have folded on the flop? You are ahead of V2 and V1s range.

I wouldn't jam the flop here. You're 50/50 with V2 right now, since you can see his cards tonight that's the best chance he'll have in beating you all night. Just call and see what the turn brings.

Resorting to something this douchy, particularly against a drunk, loose passive villain that will practically turn his hand "face-up" anyway, is uber pathetic and beyond shady.

The OP is nitting it up so it wasn't like he's going to be in a lot of super marginal spots... turns out he's unaware of what to do in the obv ones with perfect info on one of the villains. lol

Preserve the integrity of the game and just tell Mr. 90/3 that he needs to protect his hand. Playing against these sort of players is a privilege and not something to abuse.

Short-sighted thinking... what happens if he sobers up a bit a notices what you are doing? He leaves the game and may not even return to the poker room. You get the rep of the douchy, cheating nit-reg and could possibly result in a ban. Things like this will KILL games. Why would they want to play in that kind of environment?

incredibly stupid imo

lol, whatever buddy. if op stated something saying he told the guy he could see his cards it would be fine, but op says nothing of the sort so yes, it is a douchey move

meh, it's a subjective topic that doesn't seem to have a clear answer. i recall a yr ago i had an elderly fish get mad and leave the table after i told him....

There's a factor that a lot of new players to the game forget about...which is hustle. It really depends on an individual if they choose to look at an opponents cards when visible. It is two separate things for an idiot to not protect his cards or for hero to go out of his way to see the cards (which is definitely wrong). In my personal opinion, I believe in Karma so I generally tell someone if they're flashing their cards after the hand....if I happen to see it in a hand then of course I'll use the info though. In general though, poker is cutthroat and I'll use all info available to me for the current hand. Most people will not leave a room b/c someone is able to see their cards....they'll simply cover them up better.

Have no idea why OP decided to take a high variance line against villain though and shove stack?? Why not wait to at least see how the turn develops when you know what he has??

I'm sure he was already tilting...when I've told people they usually say thank you and cover their cards better.

Perfectly played hand OP.

Call flop and take the action to the turn. That's when the fireworks should happen and you have the best seat in the house with your position.

Really? Am I missing something here. We know what Vil has. Why are we flipping a coin when we dot have too?