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06-29-2020 , 05:17 PM
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No reads on villain. Seems to be normal, not a mouth-breather. Effective stacks $525. Blinds $2-$5.

8 handed home game. Folds to me UTG+1, I raise to $15 with 8s8h. CO calls. We go to flop heads up.
FLOP ($37) 6c7s8d. I bet $20. Villain raises to $80. I call.
Turn ($197) Kc. I check. Villain bets $100.

Best approach. Do we call, check raise? What's our plan for rivers?

I'm thinking he has either a lower set or the straight. I think he just calls flop with overpair like TT, JJ or AK type hands that want to float.
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06-29-2020 , 05:30 PM
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I re-raise flop. Almost no V's have a raise/fold range in LLSNL. With top set, you want to GII. Even if he did flop the nuts, you have 35% equity, and he's never folding lower sets and rarely 2p, since you could easily have married overpairs.
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06-29-2020 , 06:42 PM
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Check the flop. As played I would jam the turn after the $100 bet.
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06-29-2020 , 06:46 PM
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I re-raise flop. Almost no V's have a raise/fold range in LLSNL. With top set, you want to GII. Even if he did flop the nuts, you have 35% equity, and he's never folding lower sets and rarely 2p, since you could easily have married overpairs.
+1 on re-raise flop, and my rule of thumb is that when a reasonable re-raise is more than a third of your stack you should strongly consider jamming, and in this case a re-raise to say $250 is, so just jam. He's rarely folding sets, combo draws, and he might even call you off with 2 pairs or even an overpair. If he has the nuts, as Garick says you still have equity.

On the turn, as played, just jam.
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06-29-2020 , 06:52 PM
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I don't like 3-betting the flop here (or betting in the first place). Jam is really easy to play against and you're kinda screwed when you don't have a hand as strong as this (which still isn't that strong on this flop texture).
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06-29-2020 , 10:36 PM
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I don't like 3-betting the flop here (or betting in the first place). Jam is really easy to play against and you're kinda screwed when you don't have a hand as strong as this (which still isn't that strong on this flop texture).
Do you think you might be giving a random 2/5 V (in a home game) too much credit?

I'm pretty sure I understand your reasons for balance, but aren't we better served to play more exploitable the less credit we give to V?
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06-29-2020 , 11:39 PM
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Well of course we should play exploitable poker according to the situation, but I never give "bet your good hands, check your bad hands" level of advice because I don't feel that it's useful. Any idiot can do that.
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06-30-2020 , 06:45 AM
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Agree with sabr on a flop check, but if you’re going to bet- I’d bet any size other than half pot on this texture.

AP definitely just calling the flop raise like you did. Agree with sabr’s logic there as well.

I don’t usually do this for obv reasons but I think I’m just clicking it back here to $220-240 OTT and getting it in on every river except a 5 or a 9. Those cards shouldn’t change much either, but I except our opponent to shut down with a weaker hand.
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06-30-2020 , 06:47 AM
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I think call is the more standard play here, unless we know villain stacks off too light.

Villain turn sizing is slightly suspicious for these stakes - could be a sign of weakness or a stronger player - either way i think we make more by seeing a river.
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06-30-2020 , 08:04 AM
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Fair.
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06-30-2020 , 10:07 AM
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I don't like 3-betting the flop here (or betting in the first place). Jam is really easy to play against and you're kinda screwed when you don't have a hand as strong as this (which still isn't that strong on this flop texture).
Why are you jamming the turn?
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06-30-2020 , 03:15 PM
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Ok so far.

That turn sizing seems on the small side if he flopped a straight. I'd lean towards a call, then plan to lead river.

If he has a set or 2-pr, a jam might get a fold as KK now gets there.

Flop - near 100% bet frequency to get value from a couple dozen combos of over pairs/lower sets. Might X at some freq in pos.
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06-30-2020 , 06:38 PM
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I really, really, really don't get the advice for a flop check at any LLSNL game. In a 2012 2/4 online game, sure. In a live home game, nope. Not even a little. Bet good hands is usually a damn good strategy in that situation.
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07-01-2020 , 08:36 PM
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id reraise jam flop
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