7 handed and deep.

UTG has a loose opening range in this spot. Includes all suited connectors. I think he raises 79s in this spot to this sizing more frequently than, say, A9o

That being said, he is actually an excellent hand reader but his weakness is that he goes into stack protection mode too often and misses thin value and light calldowns. The end result is eventually his stack gets blinded down and we have been at the table together for 8 hours and he has been sunrunning against me but he is still on his first bi and up 400ish. He has won at least a grand from me and I am in for 3 bi and up 2k and sitting on 5k. My biggest hand was 5bet jamming AK and getting called in two spots by QQ and JJ. But this is a tough lineup now and I dont want to play small high raked pots

UTG raises to 15, UTG1 calls tight clueless MAWG, i am next to act with 79 and 3b to 50, both call

868

Villain cc 85

Turn 2

V checks

Need more info to understand what's going on.

What's your range for V's UTG raise? I'm a little confused that you say he goes into stack protection mode, but then seem to be saying that he's raising UTG light. Does not compute.

What was the plan for the hand when you 3b? I assume it can't be for value and you were expecting to see both him and the tight, clueless MAWG fold?

So, at a guess, you're 3b hoping for folds, but comfortable muscling him off his wide, fairly weak UTG raise because he's in stack protection moded (although he's an excellent hand reader). I'll grant that the 3b here is going to nullify that last point.

Can you say more about V's tendencies? Will he give up on an overpair to sufficient pressure? Are you willing to apply sufficient pressure? If he flats, can you rule out KK+? How about QQ? How would he respond with AK? This is all critical info because it lets you determine how scary aces through queens on the flop are to him.

I don't necessarily hate the line pre, and I might even love it, but it seems like a highly exploitive move and I can't really comment without understanding more about what you're seeking to exploit and how you believe you'll make it happen.

In any case, flop is like mana from heaven. OE SF draw that's hard for PFR to hit. Even if he has AA (unlikely given preflop action), you have nearly 50% equity. If he has a smaller overpair, in addition to your real outs, you probably have some overcard bluffing outs.

Since we're trying to move him off his hand, I'd make it at least 100 OTF (which is still only 2/3 pot). I might even go 150 for the full pot treatment. Board is wet, so an excellent hand reader would (or should) understand that an overpair would tend to bet larger: there are more hands that can call because of the draws and it's more important to charge other hands because of the draws.

I'm assuming clueless, tight guy folded the flop. OTT, pot is 320. Assuming your plan is to move V off his hand, it's time to stick it to him. I'd make it 250. I very much doubt he x/r that with an overpair. If he does, you're way off thinking he's in stack protection mode. The bet is large and threatens even deep stacks on the river. I expect anyone with any nitty tendencies to dump almost their whole range here.

I get that you have a big draw and if he jams you're going to be hating life. But you're going to miss your draw 68% of the time and if you check it back now I doubt you're moving him off his hand OTR. If he does x/r, you might still have a profitable call (especially if the x/r doesn't get stacks in).

Some will argue for checking this back and taking the free card. I prefer to remain aggressive and add some FE to my draw. Occasionally someone out-aggresses me and wins the hand. Fair enough. I believe it's still higher EV to keep the pressure on.

Ok so i read up to here, and the reason im 3betting here is because its been hard to get 3 streets of value from this table so the rake has been sucking the table dry at 7 handed. Also, its hard to get paid off when you hit.

Lastly, villain will play extremely well until river where he tightens up and folds too often and doesnt bet mid strength hands

So, he has been loose pre and tight at river. There are two spots earlier where i would have paid on river but v didnt bet so im not gonna lose a big pot IP to him unless its some ******ed cooler

Looking forward to reading the rest of your response

I was expecting them to fold a lot bit didnt mind if they called. Im 5k deep and can act the bully

How deep are V's?

Ok read the rest of it and yeah, my sizing blows otf. I like a bigger bet too.

However, the flop actually hits his range. His hand is probably always suited connectors and gappers. I envision a hand like mine with a lot of 8s and 6s. 68s is a hand thats def in his pf range

150 is a great sizing imo. Blocks a c/r

But...its an extra 1k for hitting the straight flush

V has 1400, mawg 2.5k

If you're looking to win the high stand, don't raise and be a little *****. if you are there to play poker, then play poker.

Don't understand the hh but keep betting

There's a bunch of reasons you shouldn't check back. Bet whatever amount needed to call it off if he raises. 350 probably not enough.

$175

I think sometimes weak bets trigger a show of strength. So if hero makes it 175 and villain says 575? Aren't we then putting ourselves in a spot where we need to shove blank rivers?

Or do you intend to 3-bet the turn? Maybe not a bad plan.

I go ahead and bet the turn. You have a great hand against a player you know well and river will be easy to play.

I never let bonuses affect my play (unless I'm already there and won't get any more in, regardless, and/or need to build the pot to hit the bonus). However, if it's on your mind, just check.

3b size seems a bit low, no? 60-65 from UTG+2 feels a lot better imo. As for turn, don't stop betting now.

yes, every hand history on this forum has low crappy sizings

your high hand equity is $40. So don't let that influence your decision in any way.

When you say his hand is nearly always SCs and gappers, do you mean after you bet the flop and call? Presumably because he would x/r with overpairs? But would he really? Your 3b has to suggest at least a decent chance you have something like QQ+. If he has JJ-, x/r would not be a wonderful idea from his perspective.

I'd actually say his range here is probably overpairs with some FDs, sets, maybe a few reverse floats with longshot draws and some fudge factor. If you think that's off, could you give some more background on your reasoning. Not saying you're wrong, just that I'd like to understand better.

Including the high hand is actually pretty straightforward. You have 2 outs to hit it, roughly 9% OTF and 4.5% OTT. So the HH is worth $90 OTF and $45 OTT. It's nice, but I wouldn't torque my play around that much to hit it.

Reiterating and extending...

So effective against V is 1400. V tends to get mubsy OTR. That's awesome. He'll often stay with us on the flop and turn and then fold to frequently on the river. Sweet. Note that we're well aware that he won't always stay with us on flop and turn, nor always fold OTR. As long as his frequencies are out of whack, we can still exploit him. We're also well aware that this is a really high variance line and we're good with that.

The pre 3b to 50 makes SPR 14 if we get one call, 9 if we get two. Perfect. We can put in bets on the flop and turn while still leaving a nice big chunk OTR to trigger his mubsiness. Our hand has some playability, so we're not counting only on the exploit. (I wouldn't do this with 97o, for example. His frequencies may be off, but I doubt their off far enough that we can play purely for exploit.) The fact that V is a good hand reader will help, since he can see what we're protraying. We're looking for:

* Folds preflop
* Folds OTF when we cbet our 3b
* A flop and runout that let us rep a big hand so he'll eventually lay it down to a shove on the river.

And, to reiterate, we're also completely comfortable that we can stack off here and proudly show our 9-high without having a nasty drive home in which we berate ourselves for such "obviously" bad play. The time for that angst is now, not after we jump out of the plane.

K, so we 3b pre, didn't get folds, didn't really get that scary a flop (given our perceived 3b range), but did flop a gigantic draw (with some deviously hidden straight outs). Between some FE and our draw, we're in good shape. I'm still playing this to get V to fold, but the added equity is nice.

SPR is 9 and we have two callers. That's fine. We can make two solid bets on flop and turn and still have a nice river bomb. I'd plan the betting so that the river was a pot-sized shove. $150 OTF will make pot $450 with $1200 back. $300 on the turn will make river pot $1050 with $900 back. $125/$250/$975 might be slightly better.

I'm not checking this back. While the free card would be nice, I believe EV is higher if we play to either move him off the hand or bink and win a huge pot because we've inflated it with fold equity as well as showdown equity.

AP, OTT situation isn't ideal, but is within acceptable parameters. Pot is 320 with 1265 behind. We can put out a solid bet and still leave plenty behind to bomb the river. We're not worried about a river x/r since we're never going to have a hard decision. $250 sounds about right. We want the call here, but don't mind a fold. We definitely want to avoid any encouragement to x/r (since neither folding nor calling will be particularly attractive). If he does x/r, we'll call or fold depending on pot odds (don't forget to add another $45 in EV to calling for the high hand). Our turn bet will look slightly odd, since it'll be a higher fraction of the pot than our flop bet, but we'll trigger his mubsiness better if the river bet is big, so we want to get more money in the pot now. (Also, the larger turn bet should be more likely to get a fold, which would be fine.)

If V calls, there will be $820 in the pot with $1015 back. River bet is mostly about psychology. If he'll think a shove is more likely a bluff and will snap it off, we should bet more valuishly, say $700. If his mubsiness will get a fold even if he suspects shenanigans, then we should bet larger. I could get behind anything from, say, $700 to a shove.

+1 to pf sizing, all you really did was ask everyone to call.

If the plan is to empty the clip, turn 200 to set up a river jam. Otr he'll still have some profit in front of him, if your read is correct he'll still have over $100 winnings to protect. But if he's sunrunning against you, and saw you 5! AK, it'll be hard to move him off an overpair unless an A or K comes, or a heart (where you might not get paid).

FWIW "so im not gonna lose a big pot IP to him unless its some ******ed cooler." Or if we empty the clip vs an UTG raise on a low card board. Not saying the plan is wrong, just pointing this out. This forum is full of HH lately where the V flatted a monster and let us value own ourselves.

Thanks for the responses guys. I really probably played this bad and its giving me food for future thought

I am sure villain has a made hand now when he cc the flop. I also think he percieves me to have a lot of air right now. OTOH, i believe he will fold some weaker hands even when he thinks he has best of it. The thing is V has my number this session and he thinks his hand is good right now and it is but...that prob doesnt matter

Howard Lederer had a good essay about leverage in the FTP Tournament Strategy Guide.