2/5 Home Game

Hero: most aggro at table but not getting out of line - haven't been in any big pots yet

Villain 1: friends with Hero whom he never bets unless multi-way - and if that does happen then obviously they get out of each others way unless nutted

Villain 2: older guy who will limp pretty much any two but his range tightens significantly after a raise and even more so when out of position - calls down far too wide in small-medium sized pots but plays a lot more cautiously in large pots. Overall really unaware of opponents ranges.

V1(MP) - $800
V2(SB) - $1000
CO - $300
Hero(BB) - $650 K5

V1 opens $20 ... MP calls ... CO calls ... V2 calls ... Hero calls

FLOP: 2T6

Hero checks ... V1 bets $60 ... MP folds ... CO calls ... V2 calls ...
Hero raises to $280 ... V1 folds ... CO says "F#@K it, why not?!" and is all in... V2 calls and shows his cards to the guy next to him

TURN: A

V2 says out loud "i'll check" as if to be nice ... Hero checks ...

RIVER: 7

V2 quickly cuts out $250 and pushes it forward ...

Hero...?


His line seems so obviously nutted. The side pot is trivial and we're gonna see his cards anyways.

250 to win 1300? The only way i'm folding here is if I ask him to see one card and he actually shows me the ace. If you are over 85% certain that he has the nut flush then fold. I don't quite see how you can be over 85% certain here though as in his mind, he can value bet lesser flushes like Qd10d and Jd10d. And Xd10d. And 3d4d.

we think V is calling $220 more OOP without Axdd? I just couldn't see it.

I didn't do the exact maths in the previous post, but as a rough estimate look at the odds you are getting. Are you over 85% certain this is the nuts? If yes, fold. If no, call. You've played with the guy before, you know his tendencies better than any of us. Personally, i'd expect this to be the nuts 50% of the time which makes this a snap call.

Why don't you think he could have Tx? or even 34 for that matter?

Are you serious?

I'm folding before the flop

serious as a heart attack

loled






Pre is very bad

Flop is very bad

turn is whatever, could go either way.

not sure what the question is otr.

guess I should have said "hadn't gotten out of line yet"


pre can't be very bad?!

flop is spewy but I get V1 and V2 to fold more often than not and I don't mind flip with CO

River we can hero fold... sometimes.. maybe?

not a big fan of this flop raise

you said he's "unaware of peoples ranges" this suggests that he can easily bet a weaker flush like this on the river. jam the river

What? How can you want to call pre, spazz rais flop, bink river and want to hero fold this river?

So, tell us why pre is ok. How are you going to win money with this hand?

I've played with this V many times and I immediately thought he had it as soon as he bet the river

I wanted to hear responses before I mentioned that the guy who V2 showed his cards to gave me one of those leery "he's got it looks" after I turned my hand over and said I felt it was a set up

Just awful all around

Wow. There's a lot of hate coming through for preflop.
Is this just because of RIO?
I want to know because I make this call in the BB 100% of the time.

I don't think the debate should be call or fold, it should be call or raise imo.

Pre is FAR from very bad

Uh, sorry man, but if you are going to c/r with the naked K high flush draw, you kinda have to put all your money in when you get there. This board isn't paired. How can you possibly fold the 2nd nuts here OTR getting 5:1 or whatever? Even considering a fold here is bad. I would move all-in for the extra $50 you have.

Just shove river, this shouldn't even be a question with these stack sizes when you raise the flop and get there with a free card. Is V really checking turn with top pair and NFD?

agree to this. we only have $100 more after the $250 bet on the river. he will probably call it off with all his nonbluffs (like 95% of his range).

Pre is awful. Reverse implied odds if you make TPNK or two pair with top and bottom are huge. Best case scenario is you end up drawing to the second nut flush like OP and hit but are now worried because someone might have the nut flush??

Serious question to you, what is the upside to playing this hand OOP for a raise preflop?

Pre is a fold or 3bet imo. Only 3 betting if the situation is right so usually folding.

Jam we got lucky