2/5 NL, 5-way limped pot, effective stacks 500.

(Flop: $25): T77

Hero is first to act in BB with K7

normally i bet here, but for whatever reason i checked w/ intention to c/r.

everyone checks.

(Turn: $25) T77 6

Hero bets 20, 2 calls.

(River: $85) T77 6 A

Hero bets 75, villain raises to 350, Hero?

villain is a thinking player.

It actually matters whether Villain was the first or second caller on the turn.

If he was the first caller, and then he raised the river with an overcaller still to act--SNAP fold this.

If he was the overcaller, I probably cry-call because he could still have some sevens and your kicker plays. But either way I am not happy about this.

If my kicker did not play, I would fold.

Also, why did you bet so big on the river?

Flop check is suboptimal.

Some kind of reads would be nice, but as played I think it's a fold. You're repping a 7 or better with your turn and river bets, and he's bombing over the top.

97 or 87 would be the top of my bet fold range here. Im calling with k7

And actually sometimes i might call with 97 or 87 since we hold blockers to the nut straight

he raised with a player behind him. forgot to include that.

and i understand betting is better and i am betting here 95% of the time, this was just a blah moment where i went for a c/r to build a pot and thought it may look stealy given my losing image i had at the time.

and i bet bigger on the river for value vs a 7 as well as to rep busted clubs. also i dont want to get raised off my hand by a worse 7.

K7 is a bet/fold. I don't know if it's the top of the b/f range, but it's obviously close to it.

Obviously 98 got there. And the board is paired. It's pretty hard for V to raise a worse 7 big.

I don't think busted clubs is likely. And here's the thing - if we're calling because hey, look, maybe he has busted clubs, you should be calling with like JT, too.

In other words, he probably is polarized, but his range is very weighted to nutty hands.

I'm folding here... You're playing your hand face up at this point. For him to go over the top of you with a player still behind would be ridiculously spewy with anything less than a straight or A7+ here.

V may be a thinking player, but he may be thinking that you have a strong 7 that's going to pay him off.

By the way, with effective stacks at 475 for the river, the fact that Villain raised to 350 but didn't shove is pretty bad. Who's calling 350 that much more than they call 475?

But yeah, if Villain was in the middle and raised, this is a turbo-fold.

As far as K7 and JT being equivalent--K7 blocks some hands like 77/A7/76, so for that reason only they are not. Also, Villain is described as a thinking player, but we don't know things like "Will he realize Ax is no good and turn it into a bluff?" or "Will he raise trips no kicker to try to bluff us off a chop?" Because then K7 and JT are also not equivalent.

But to me that's an extremely small point, because I don't think this is a bluff very often. If Hero and Villain have history, it should be obvious from previous hands whether Villain is capable of running a bluff this sick often enough that we should consider calling, and Hero wouldn't have needed to post this thread.

After you checked on the flop, you're more likely to collect a winning bet by bluff catching than betting on the river. The only hand he calls that you beat is the case 7, which is hard for him to have.

His sizing is lol. I call.

His sizing is not lol if he has correctly read hero as having 7x. Villains range is polarized here, as I think his range is busted draws and monsters. Busted draws can be discarded some since he called a PSB on the turn with a paired board, so as played I fold. I don't think the river is a b/f against a thinking player. Just c/c. If you are going to bet the river, I'm betting much smaller like $40 to try and get a crying call from Tx. When you pot it into that Ace on the river your hand looks really strong, which makes his range look monstrous.

Sorry he had 89

@Koss

How does V read H for 7x? H's line can be anything?

And V's raise sizing is LOL because it just doesn't follow from anything. Its not, 2x, or 3x like the vast majority of players do. Its not a shove, which would make the most sense for his entire range (i.e. He should expect H's calling tendencies to be inelastic given effective stacks).

V's line is, "I have no idea what sizing I want to use, but I don't want to go AI".

I agree he's polarized though. 80% bluff, 10% Ax that he thinks is the nutz, 10% actual nutish

I think the most important aspect of HH is villain reads. Any and all information you have is needed.

Some Vs this is a snap fold some a fist pump shove

I'm not sure how anyone can really give you insight when your only read is villain is a thinking player.

Looking this hand over and running through his possible range I've got some thoughts.

Maybe he's holding 89 for the straight, 16 ways to do that.

Maybe he's got any A with a rag card, however, probably wouldn't shove almost AI with those hands unless he's holding a 7 with it.

He could have AT with a read that you don't hold a 7.

There is a slight possibility he also could be holding the case 7 but not likely with something like 97, 87, 76 and so on.

There is also a small chance he throws in a bluff here when he knows he cannot win otherwise, but again this is unlikely since there is still a player to act after him.

Against this range we have about 57% equity, not including the possibility he is bluffing with busted draw.

I think I call here and see a showdown.

Worst case scenario we lose but at the very least we can get a better read on him based on this hand and hopefully be able to use the info to make a better decision next time we're in a similar spot.