Hero has been at table for about 30-45 minutes. Villain is a late-20's Asian woman. Has been quiet (literally, not speaking) and in regards to the hands she has played. She has limped a couple of hands but has not raised yet. She is playing short stacked, probably just looking for a double up. Effective stacks of $350, Hero covers.

Not sure if she is fed up with Hero. I have 3! twice from the blinds in hands she was involved in. MP raised to $20, she called, two other callers, Hero 3! AJo from SB $150 and everyone folded. Another time UTG straddled, she called, two other callers and I 3! AKo $85 from SB and everyone folded. I've also caused her to limp/fold by raising once or twice.

OTTH,

3 limpers
V limps OTB
SB calls
Hero makes it $50 in the BB with QQ
Folds to Hero who minraises to $100
Hero calls $100

Honestly, I have no idea what this minraise means. Did she overlimp AA/KK/AK expecting me to raise? That seems quite risky. Is she just button clicking because she is fed up? Or is it somewhere in between like a mid-PP?

Pot: $215

Flop: J 9 4

Hero checks
V checks

Lack of a bet from V is strange. AK?

Pot: $215

Turn: 2

Hero puts V all-in for $250

I'm ok with calling 50 more pre. There is an element of set value, imo, and getting 3.5:1 direct with 5 more slugs of 50 behind is worth something. Of course, QQ also has intrinsic strength though I do think KK+ is a good part of her range.

Post-flop, just keep checking. If she has 88,TT and calls, great, but I think that's just lucky. Sure, we don't love to see a river A or K, but that's just 8 cards and one consideration. Perfect time to check down / assess if she does decide to lead into you.

Just shove pre with these stack sizes

Get in 70BB pre-flop against quiet passive woman limp/3-betting to 100?

Assuming she snaps (treat her raise like a shove), we need 42% equity.

What do you put her on? I think her range can have various hands but is heaviest with KK+.

Well she's on the button so I'm going to assume she doesn't have KK+ and if she does, she's just lucky hero picked up a big hand in the blinds to raise with. I can't imagine she's actually counting on hero to raise from the blinds instead of just raising herself on the button. We're out of position so if we want to get money in we've got to do the betting, and a hand like AK/AQ/JJ might not do it for us depending on the flop. I think it is much more likely for V to overlimp the button with TT/JJ/AQ+ than KK+. I doubt she is folding if we shove after putting in 1/3 of her stack already. Limping the button after three limps with KK+ and a short stack would be beyond awful, so it's just kind of whatever if she has it....and then we still win 18% of the time.

Grunch:

Once villain clicks it back, I'm assuming she's going with her hand. Given we've been aggro out of the blinds, she could be doing this with a wider range than KK+. Given this and our image I GII pre to let her level herself into a call with worse pocket pairs and hands like AQ/AJ.

Edit: re-read the HH, I guess there is a non-zero chance villain has KK+ but she's much wider than that IMO. Most players are raising the button with a premium hand behind limpers regardless of whether the hero has been going nuts out of the blinds. I stick with my read and GII pre.

I think she is so bad that she's not even positionally aware and is just waiting for someone to raise her aces. I would flat and try to check it down, if it goes ck/ck on the turn and she jams the river I can just fold it. Especially since she has been quiet with the hands she played (meaning nitty I assume)

I also like the PF shove, since after a weird BTN LRR I don't want to play QQ OOP after I've committed nearly 30% of the effective stacks...and I'm also not willing to give her credit for a range as tight as KK+. I think she has a lot of AK/JJ/TT/99

I gotta agree with wj... But if I think shes frustrated with me, I 100% minraise back.


Looks like a button clicking fish to me.

If V played AA this assbackwards then so be it and we shove and lose less than half a buy in with 20% equity. As played I think our hand has to be good after the flop check. Again if she is really this sneaky with better than so be it. I like our showdown value on the river by checking and possibly inducing bluffs from worse. OR if somehow she has JJ we can call and lose the min.

shove or fold spot, need her to be wider than QQ+,AK to shove, weird lines often mean AA, folding QQ for 70bb total especially with aggro image usually bad, my usual play would be to gii and then stew for a couple of hours on how bad people play AA and when will I ever learn.

never calling here

I feel 99-TT would reshove pre. I doubt villain thinks ur targetting her with weak hands, shes juat playing her hand face up. I thinl KK/AA and possibly AK. I like ahoving pre as this hand blows POSTFLOP, but I may just soul read fold and if she does this again them Im condidently repopping.

lol

Damn so it looks like this is a fold or shove spot pre? If that is the case, I guess shoving is better.

As played, with the flop going check/check, I thought shoving the turn for a little over a PSB would look a little bluffy (missed overs) and allow me to get looked up by the weaker part of her range.

In my mind I am thinking "what moron would play AA/KK like this and check back the flop with a straight draw and flush draw out there?"

Results

not a shocking result, but people play JJ weird too, and it was 70BB, so tough spot, just another example of how often 3! range is KK+

consistency is important..... I've read that somewhere

So I tend to side with those who say GII pre here only bc stack sizes are relatively small.

However, one of my biggest leaks is assuming villains at lower stakes are adjusting to my LAG style while in fact, most are still gonna wait for QQ+ and play it weirdly (like in this example). So, I guess we should be more aware of who is adjusting and who isn't. If I see this same woman show down a weak hand vs. me even once before this hand occurs, then I'm ok with the play. This being the first hand where she has shown aggression, maybe we should be folding... as much as it pains me to lay it down for 70 bb's...