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07-04-2013 , 03:54 AM
Interesting hand with not much history been 2-5 nl table for about three orbits.

Heros short stacking playing with $275 behind and villain has over $1000 effective about 55 bb's

Get dealt sevens in early position and its folded to me. I make it $15 and get three calls behind.

Flop comes k78r. I lead out for fairly small $20 and get called by the villain behind.

Turn comes a king of diamonds putting a flush draw out there. I check to the villain and he makes it $45. I cr to $115 and he flats.

River comes the worst card in the deck, a king.

Hero check, villain puts hero all in for another $125....

As played do I always have to call off here?
Am I ever ahead of any of his range here?

Results to come
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07-04-2013 , 08:55 AM
U have to fold here. I'd need at least 5:1 here to even consider calling and proably prefer better odds than that. Unless he has proven that he bluffs a lot in bad spots (since u could easily have a boat you're not foldig here, its a terrible spot for him to bluff), u have to give him credit for kx, 8x, or 99+.
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07-04-2013 , 08:58 AM
I hate your raise pre mainly cause of your short stack. You can't stand a 3bet and you're bloating up the pot where it will often go 3 or 4+ ways whereas you can just limp in and pot every street when you hit and win a big pot and hopefully stack someone since you're so short. As played on flop bet 2/3 pot (so bet 40), then bet 1/2 pot on turn to keep in straight draws and shove blank rivers (non 8, non K).
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07-04-2013 , 09:01 AM
You should generally bet the max wih a set that villains are willing to call. Since they call so often, betting pot pot pot in a limped pot works well. Here 2/3 pot works best since I want to bet big to get value but small enough to keep in kx. Btw if a 7 comes on river check shove river to give him a chance to bluff (if he has kx he's betting anyways and 8x can't call a shove).
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07-04-2013 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by slimshady1999
I hate your raise pre mainly cause of your short stack. You can't stand a 3bet and you're bloating up the pot where it will often go 3 or 4+ ways whereas you can just limp in and pot every street when you hit and win a big pot and hopefully stack someone since you're so short. As played on flop bet 2/3 pot (so bet 40), then bet 1/2 pot on turn to keep in straight draws and shove blank rivers (non 8, non K).
This is horrid advice. Everyone and their mum limps in hoping to hit big and get a juicy stack. Is this how we beat the fish? By joining them? What happens if somebody raises over our EP limp?

AP fold op, the only hands i see V with that he's possibly bluffing (he doesn't bluff 100% with these) are OEFDs or maybe two pair + FD on the turn, and that's a small part of his range. A huge part is Kx and overpairs to the 8.

I feel that the fact that this is posted is a thinly veiled brag and your KKK77 is good...
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07-04-2013 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by jambre
This is horrid advice. Everyone and their mum limps in hoping to hit big and get a juicy stack. Is this how we beat the fish? By joining them? What happens if somebody raises over our EP limp?

AP fold op, the only hands i see V with that he's possibly bluffing (he doesn't bluff 100% with these) are OEFDs or maybe two pair + FD on the turn, and that's a small part of his range. A huge part is Kx and overpairs to the 8.

I feel that the fact that this is posted is a thinly veiled brag and your KKK77 is good...
With his short stack he can safely limp fold small pairs as he can still get stacks in postflop if pot is limped around. He should be playing super tight pre. Only limp small pairs, raise 1010+, aq+ and fold everything else. U can widen your raising range in postion a little and limp most SCs if pot is limped around and such but overall short stack forces u to play very tight. Are you raising 22 utg with 60bb???? Cause its almost the same as 77 and ull get 3+ callers often unless u raise to $30+.
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07-04-2013 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by slimshady1999
With his short stack he can safely limp fold small pairs as he can still get stacks in postflop if pot is limped around. He should be playing super tight pre. Only limp small pairs, raise 1010+, aq+ and fold everything else. U can widen your raising range in postion a little and limp most SCs if pot is limped around and such but overall short stack forces u to play very tight. Are you raising 22 utg with 60bb???? Cause its almost the same as 77 and ull get 3+ callers often unless u raise to $30+.
No, I fold low-mid PP when short stacked EP.

Edit: Actually I never play short-stacked. The reason for the above is that any opening looks very strong (i.e. you want to get it in), so you only really should get called by big hands, making your low PP's crap. If you get 3-bet you have to instantly chuck them away. Essentially what you're doing is stealing the blinds. In LP steals can be more profitable where you can 3-bet steal or steal other peoples limps, and have extra information so you don't have to worry about people acting after you as much. If people are still calling you with a wide range then tightening up and only playing premiums is best.

Last edited by jambre; 07-04-2013 at 11:08 AM.
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07-04-2013 , 04:18 PM
To complete the hand it is not a brag. I ended up check folding the river.

Now that I've had a little time to think over the hand, I'm wondering if I can fire a blocker bet of like 30 on the river and if villain jams, just instafold as a large portion of his range is quads
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07-04-2013 , 06:17 PM
The bet sizing in this hand seems really bizarre to me, what were you hoping to accomplish on the turn? If your intention was to get him to bluff by check/raising what do you put him on here?

an 8 - I doubt would be calling a C/R,
K - you should be leading out and getting it in (hopefully!) on the turn.

Your flop bet sizing also needs to be larger, at least 1/2 pot.

With a little more information (reaction to bet sizing) and aggression in this hand I'm fairly certain you'd either win it outright or have a super easy decision on the river.

Without any history on if villain is capable of turning his missed draws in to bluffs, I think this is probably a fold. If I had any suspicion however, i'm probably sucking it up and calling here.



As for your blocker bet, $30 in to a $330 pot isn't generally going to do anything.

Last edited by riguy724; 07-04-2013 at 06:24 PM.
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