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02-01-2015 , 01:55 PM

BenzY

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 353

eff stacks 875:

Villain (EP covers): maniac, raises and calls wide with no regard to position. Will always c-bet if he is the original raiser and frequently double barrels. Lost a pot earlier when he 3-bet then called a 4-bet all-in (for 700 eff) with AQo. Will frequently bet if you show weakness.

Hero (BB): nitty image, haven't played many hands

Pre: straddle, EP raises 35, villain calls, folds around to hero, hero 3-bets to 145 with QQ, EP folds, villain calls

Flop (330): K

Hero bets 150, villain calls

Turn (630): 7

Hero chks, villain bets 250, hero?

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02-01-2015 , 02:06 PM

Javanewt

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Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 12,764

Ouch turn. However, I really think you need to call. I would probably call most rivers against this Villain too. this is a perfect card for him to bluff, especially with your check, but it would have been more difficult if you bet and he raised. I don't think raising here will accomplish anything, but I don't want to fold.

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02-01-2015 , 02:08 PM

Javanewt

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I might consider folding to a spade river.

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02-01-2015 , 02:17 PM

Octavian

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with the skill of a master’s play

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02-01-2015 , 11:45 PM

7weeks2days

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Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 897

I think you need to be more specific. If you have seen him float in bloated pots and his range can be that wide then I guess you can be a hero. Not being there I would probably fold. Just because he calls a ton in smaller pots and feels frisky doesn't mean he will get crazy in a straddled 3b pot. He is not the original raiser so some of his loose aggressiveness may not apply. You did only bet 150 though and then checked the turn so that could be viewed as enough weakness. I am folding based on the info you have given. When he does bet aggressively any reads on sizing? That could be a huge indicator here

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02-01-2015 , 11:52 PM

daniel9861

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What was the reason for betting flop?

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02-02-2015 , 12:31 AM

matzah_ball

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check flop

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02-02-2015 , 12:41 AM

Kyle Saunders

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Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 409

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Originally Posted by daniel9861

What was the reason for betting flop?

C/c flop against this villian.

Betting is fine if villian is really agro and u want to stack off.

As played its either ship it if I think he has a spade draw or fold if u think he has u beat.

Calling is bad because he might check back missed fd on the river.

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02-22-2015 , 09:17 PM

BenzY

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Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 353

If we c/c flop,

Do we c/c this turn?
assuming the sizing is similar we will have 330 behind going into the river if we take this line.

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02-22-2015 , 09:26 PM

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BenzY

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Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 353

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Originally Posted by Kyle Saunders

I bet because I know villain could continue with,

22-JJ

any spade draw

Villain will also peel with any 3x, 7x, and Kx

Only Kx, 33, and 77 has us beat at the moment (and sets would for sure raise this flop bet, so I could discount that)

The turn is tough because 7x has caught up to us and I expect all other made hands that we have beat to check back.

The only hand I am beating that would bet this turn is a spade draw

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02-22-2015 , 11:55 PM

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battagd1

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Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 745

I bet smaller on flop, $75.
I think your turn check is weak. What are you representing? QQ, JJ, 1010

By betting smaller on flop, you can have a turn bet $125 and then make a river decision.

I think that tells a better story IMO.

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02-23-2015 , 12:48 AM

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jsmo0th10

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Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 709

What is his range when he flats a EP open to 35 with the straddle on, then calls a 4x 3bet from a nitty V who is not very deep??

I feel maniac is over used sometimes. If he is a true maniac I call turn and check call riv a bunch. If he hates folding draws or he is tilted and might not fold **** like TT-JJ I GII now.

If he isn't quite as crazy as we think I'm folding

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02-23-2015 , 04:33 AM

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Epenn44

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Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 49

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Originally Posted by battagd1

not a big fan of this. What value hands would hero really have that would cbet 1/4 pot? Think about it.
I think this is a ch/c flop. Barf fold turn.

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