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01-15-2014 , 07:38 PM
Let's say I got T7s OTB 100BB eff and there's a one MP limper and of course the blinds preflop and it's on me. Should I play this at all? Should I limp? Should I raise with suited 2-gappers in this situation?
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01-15-2014 , 07:47 PM
I would be raising only if the limper and at least one of the players in the blinds played loosely preflop, and very fit-and-fold, straightforwardly post flop. I would essentially be building a small pot with the intention of taking down on the flop, with a small chance to play a disguised hand for a big pot.
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01-15-2014 , 07:55 PM
I would toss it and I wouldn't raise with it but that's my style. I'm interested to hear what others think.
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01-15-2014 , 09:05 PM
raise that ****er up

your LP range especially on the button in this type of spot should be 25-50% of hands depending on what you are comfortable with. im always raising here and its great for your image as well if u end up at showdown
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01-15-2014 , 09:11 PM
This is a good spot to raise if the blinds are a bit weak. Against 'defenders' you will be looking at a wide range from them to go with your 'iffy' holding and it could get you in some trouble on the Flop and Turn. Being OTB here is the key of course and you know that.

Depending on your image if you r/f in this spot you will have to be extra careful the next few orbits if you do get the raising itch as others may have seen this as a failed steal ... which in reality is what it was!! GL
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01-15-2014 , 09:12 PM
I probably fold UNLESS the limper or someone in the blinds is a drooler. Then I would over-limp.

I would also consider bluff-raising to $25-$30 if I had a read that the limper and the blinds were weak preflop.
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01-15-2014 , 09:13 PM
Depends on the tendencies on of the blinds and the limper both pre and post flop. The more fit/fold they are, the better the raise. The more stationy, particularly with A/K high after the flop, they are, the less you would want to be raising this hand.

As a default, I am dumping 10-7 in that spot. The #1 mistake made by my opponents is calling too much, which means it is not wise for me to be engaging them frequently by raising 10 high.
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01-15-2014 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BigSkip
Depends on the tendencies on of the blinds and the limper both pre and post flop. The more fit/fold they are, the better the raise. The more stationy, particularly with A/K high after the flop, they are, the less you would want to be raising this hand.

As a default, I am dumping 10-7 in that spot. The #1 mistake made by my opponents is calling too much, which means it is not wise for me to be engaging them frequently by raising 10 high.
Good post, I agree. I think the hand is too weak, even on the button.
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01-15-2014 , 11:17 PM
It depends

If you have certain reads on the blinds and limper (e.g. the blinds are tight and likely to fold to a raise, the limper likes to peel flops and fold to further aggression), then this can be an easy raise. On the other hand, if you have different reads (e.g. the blinds are aggro and like to 3-bet LP raisers, the limper is sticky and hates to fold), then this can be a snap fold. Without any information / reads at all, I'd probably assume that everyone is loose-passive and just fold.
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01-15-2014 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ATsai
I probably fold UNLESS the limper or someone in the blinds is a drooler. Then I would over-limp.

I would also consider bluff-raising to $25-$30 if I had a read that the limper and the blinds were weak preflop.
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Originally Posted by BigSkip
Depends on the tendencies on of the blinds and the limper both pre and post flop. The more fit/fold they are, the better the raise. The more stationy, particularly with A/K high after the flop, they are, the less you would want to be raising this hand.

As a default, I am dumping 10-7 in that spot. The #1 mistake made by my opponents is calling too much, which means it is not wise for me to be engaging them frequently by raising 10 high.
A+.

Yes, fold a lot. There's a strong tendency here to iso passive limpers super light when you have a card disadvantage and a hand that requires fold equity post-flop to be profitable in a game where no one folds so most of your take is made through value betting. Even in position, raising this up over limpers as a default is a leak.

I would raise this in an unopened pot on the BTN as a default and probably fold if one blind is very aggressive, and maaaaybe fold if one blind is super passive and won't fold ever. Obviously sticking with the default and insta-raising if the blinds are nits, don't defend, or defend but play fit-or-fold post (the ideal situation because it's mathematically proven that you can't flop a made hand in the game of hold them).

Last edited by Willyoman; 01-15-2014 at 11:29 PM.
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01-16-2014 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ATsai
I probably fold UNLESS the limper or someone in the blinds is a drooler. Then I would over-limp.

I would also consider bluff-raising to $25-$30 if I had a read that the limper and the blinds were weak preflop.
I'm not sure what "drooler" means. I play with a lot of weak-tight fit-or-fold OMCs. Are they "droolers"? There are also some loose passive who are fit-or-fold postflop. Please expand on drooler definition.
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01-16-2014 , 02:26 PM
loose passive fit or fold means you should raise pre and outplay them on good boards post flop.. but i dont know how good you really are

generally T7s OTB pre can be fold limp or bet but it really depends on table dynamics and # of limpers
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01-16-2014 , 02:31 PM
Sweet thread. Because we all know it's great to make the same play with the same hand everytime right?
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01-16-2014 , 02:31 PM
Useless thread. Nobody does the same thing in every spot.
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01-16-2014 , 02:32 PM
whoops... Accidental double post
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01-16-2014 , 03:00 PM
raise to 25
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01-17-2014 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Ohlongjohnson
raise that ****er up

your LP range especially on the button in this type of spot should be 25-50% of hands depending on what you are comfortable with. im always raising here and its great for your image as well if u end up at showdown
Late to the thread ... agree with the above
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01-17-2014 , 11:26 AM
Please do anything but fold
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01-17-2014 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DrewTheHead
Please do anything but fold
Our hand is WAAAY too weak to play 100% of the time. The beauty of LLSNL is only having to balance when its most favorable for us.
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01-20-2014 , 01:53 AM
It all depends on your post flop skill level. If you plan to play fit or fold on the flop then this is a fold pre. If your capable of getting value out of the hand when it hits, 2/3 barreling when the situation is right as a bluff, and folding or slowing way down when you know the villain isn't going to move off his hand, then this is always a raise.

You should also come up with a predetermined range of hands that you will always consider for an open, 3bet, etc... I say consider, because each situation/table/hand is always going to be different and take unique thought processes to navigate.

Suited gappers should be a part of the range you consider opening with on the button when the table dynamics are right and you're confident you'll be able to play the hand creatively if need be.
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01-20-2014 , 02:05 AM
I would iso if limper is fit or fold and the players in the blinds are tight or also fit or fold.
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01-20-2014 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ATsai
I probably fold UNLESS the limper or someone in the blinds is a drooler. Then I would over-limp.

I would also consider bluff-raising to $25-$30 if I had a read that the limper and the blinds were weak preflop.
This. I would only iso pre if villains were very fit or fold post flop and I was fairly certain I would get it heads up
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