V(BB,800) ~55s white man. Play standard. suit cards pairs. call standard raise with TJo type. But seems run pretty good.



One limper. Hero(1500) makes 25 on BTN with Kh8h. Only V calls.

FLOP(55):JhTh4h
V checks, H bets 40, V raises to 80. Hero 3b to 180. V 4b to 380. First time I see him 4b tonight. Hero tanks. Set or baby flush may just call my raise.....

never ever folding. probably best to just ship now, lots of potential scare cards for villain on the turn and I doubt he is ever folding after putting in half his stack. if you flopped the 2nd nuts against the nuts in a heads up raised pot, it's just a cooler.

I wouldn't be good enough to fold.

Pretty sick spot 160 BBs deep. Do we really think he 4-bets this flop without the nuts? We block KXhh and 8Xhh, so the only real flush that he can overvalue here is exactly Q9hh. I don't think he's 4-betting here with 76hh or worse. Might make a really nitty fold if V seems comfortable and confident. Need some more reads on how V plays though, it's possible that he's the type to think that any flush is the nuts here. We are 75/25 vs. all heart combos, but I'd have to imagine we can remove many of these from his range after he calls a 5x raise PF and then 4-bets the flop:

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Board: JhTh4h
Equity Win Tie
MP2 74.98% 74.98% 0.00% { Kh8h }
MP3 25.02% 25.02% 0.00% { AhQh, Ah9h, Qh9h, Ah7h, Qh7h, 9h7h, Ah6h, Qh6h, 9h6h, 7h6h, Ah5h, Qh5h, 9h5h, 7h5h, 6h5h, 9h4h, Ah3h, Qh3h, 9h3h, 7h3h, 6h3h, 5h3h, Ah2h, Qh2h, 9h2h, 7h2h, 6h2h, 5h2h, 3h2h }

Need more reads. Would this guy go broke with any flush here? Is he always getting it in with a set?
Not sure why, with position, H three bets. Wouldn't mind just calling and letting V lead turn, esp if board doesn't pair.
Against a typical range that includes all sets, all Ahxx hands, all Aaxs hands, all flopped non-nut flush hands, and top two pair (never know), we probably have enough equity that we can't fold.

He check raises the min. Then H three bets kind of small and he four bets kind of small, not a shove. Smells a lot like he's got a big hand, either nut flush or a set.

Heads up, with position, after he min check raises flop, not sure why we three bet when we can let him continue to bet the turn and raise there. If he checks turn, we can bet or check behind and give him space to bluff.

I can see a lot of typical V check raising here with naked A but the four bet seems to polarize his range to sets and flopped flushes. Just have to have a better read as to whether he'd go broke with any flopped flush here or is only doing this with the nuts.

Yikes. The live read is so critical. We also need a lot more information than what OP has provided.

We don't know if villain will overplay small flushes. A min-c/r then 4! often means the nuts. I don't think he's going crazy with a set on a 3-flush board. There are 7 better flushes out there. It's hard to say how many small flushes he has. Best case scenario is he has a Q-high flush. Is here really 4! with the 3rd nut flush? He needs 5+ small flushes to make gii profitable.

I don't think you're wrong to hero fold. If your only read is villain plays any two suited cards, I would embrace the high-variance and gii. I don't think he's ever folding to a shove, so shove.

He has a smaller flush. All in

Don't mean to hijack the thread but I had a very similar hand just the other night.

I'm taking shots at 2/5 after a good 1/2 run. 3-4 orbits in on Sat night with just a couple of limps to get a feel for the table. I (wg 30ish non reg) get Kc8c on btn. 2 limps: v utg (mawg non-reg; limpy/passive afaik) and mp (tag/reg). Decide that's an OK hand to open up to 20 not to be seen as a total nit. Both call. $400 effective.

F: 983ccc (~$60), (easy game &#128515
Utg chk/quick call
Mp chk/fold
H: $65


Turn: 9c8c3c 4h
Pot: ~$190

Utg: chk/quick call
H: $125

River: 9c8c3c 4h 5s
Pot: $440

Utg: shoves quickly (covers but by not much)
H: tanks for 2 seconds and calls ~190
V shows Ac4c 😭 - (not an easy game).

I guess flat/flat/shove look strong but my decision was much easier for 80bb.

IF your OP V had the nuts, it interesting to how the Vs played it differently.



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^ Get your money back because there is two 8 of clubs.

Tough decision. If V sees you as aggressive, he may be protecting a smaller flush against a percieved Ahx, or if he is aggressive he may be trying to induce a fold with him holding Ahx, or he may have the goods. Your EV is very villain dependent, but variance with calling will always be high. In an otherwise profitable game you can probably wait for a better place. By folding, you may be slightly reducing EV, but significantly reducing variance.

I'm afraid you're looking square in the face of the nuts. Only thing I can think of is if you had been playing recklessly and The old man decided to make a stand against you without the ace of hearts.

How is he looking at the nuts if the old man doesnt have the Ah?

There's just no way Im folding this here. If you're even considering folding then why would you ever raise K8s? Its not like you're both 400BBs deep.

^im saying the villain had Axhh