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2/5 NL in SB against unknown fish 2/5 NL in SB against unknown fish

05-11-2014 , 11:32 AM
Hero ($1k) - Solid winning TAG image...only shown down the goods. Have not been seen bluffing and thrown out a couple of 3 bets preflop and taken down with c-bet.

Villain ($500) - loose passive fish mid 40's. In for a couple of buyins (been at table for @2 hours)...a little steaming maybe as seen when got upset when he won a pot and other player only flipped over one card to show him. Has 3 bet a couple of times pre but did not see his hand as other players folded. Somewhat of a calling station but able to find a fold button on river at times.

V limps in MP, other limper comes along, Hero in SB raises to $35 in SB with QQ....V 3 bets to $65....other limper folds....Hero calls.

Was debating whether to 4 bet him here but haven't been able to see his 3 bet range (his 3 bets have typically been small though) and against such a bad post flop player....don't feel the need to overplay QQ here pre. Limp re-raise is generally AA against these type of players as well IMO. Not 100% sure against this V though.

Flop ($140) K37r

Hero checks, Villain checks.

Turn ($140) K - no flush draws

Hero bets $75, V plays with his chips like he might raise but ends up calling.

River ($390) 8

Hero?? I'm curious to hear what everyone's play here is on the river?? check?? bet-sizing?? Comments on previous streets??
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05-11-2014 , 11:47 AM
villain may have a read that you don't have a king via the flop check, subsequent turn bet on another king on a such dry board, was villain pondering what would call him if he raised that he beats?i guess villain doesn't have a king either but has aa? and will call a bet otr,imho, c/f
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05-11-2014 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by chawee
villain may have a read that you don't have a king via the flop check, subsequent turn bet on another king on a such dry board, was villain pondering what would call him if he raised that he beats?i guess villain doesn't have a king either but has aa? and will call a bet otr,imho, c/f
You don't think V would be betting on flop with AA when he has position on me???
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05-11-2014 , 12:05 PM
I'm thinking check river and probably fold if villain bets. If you bet villain probably gives up his worse hands, calls or raises with KX or better and stations you with AA after saying "I'm probably beat but I call." If you check, villain probably checks behind unless he has AK+ and has you crushed. And I think villain will turn up with AA here more then you think. On the flop he checked because he is losing to KK and way ahead of everything else and wanted to set you up for two street of value and then got the one turn card he didn't want. Suddenly he is no longer sure he is ahead, but can't give AA up either.

I wouldn't have bet turn here, but other then that I don't mind your play. The min raise preflop is generally a huge hand but gives you too good of a price to fold. You didn't hit the flop, and at that point I'm trying to get to the river cheap. However, if villain can fold AA here and your pretty sure that is all he does this with preflop, the betting turn and barreling river is not a terrible plan. The problem is that I find too many villains can't fold AA here.
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05-11-2014 , 12:08 PM
yeah, you would continue with many hands that he currently beats otf, but he is passive though?i know steaming somewhat but your image is very strong... trying to think in a vacuum unless given other info(why im going so literally with your reads) because i've made the mistake of projecting my image etc in my responses
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05-11-2014 , 01:03 PM
Hmm... I don't mind another small bet OTR. Serves as both a value/blocking bet that could head off a bigger bet from AA, or get called by JJ-88. Fold if raised.
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05-11-2014 , 01:07 PM
I probably play the same until river, 4-betting is tough without specific reads. As played I can't fathom how you don't smash river and hope to get called by 99-JJ a lot.
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05-11-2014 , 01:52 PM
My thinking....

Believe V would have bet on flop with AK or AA (KK probably checks to induce). KQ/KJ/KT are out of his 3 bet range and would've seen a bet if I was wrong about range....since I have seen him make some light 3 bets already though...adding 99-JJ into his range. I bet $100 on river with the intention of b/f. I didn't want to pot commit myself in case he ended up having AK and I get raised (have not seen any big bluffs out of him yet either)....believed I was betting for value here though and didn't want him to scare him off in case he did have 99-JJ.

How's my line of thinking?? How's my bet sizing on turn and river??
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05-11-2014 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by OSUTexan
My thinking....

Believe V would have bet on flop with AK or AA (KK probably checks to induce). KQ/KJ/KT are out of his 3 bet range and would've seen a bet if I was wrong about range....since I have seen him make some light 3 bets already though...adding 99-JJ into his range. I bet $100 on river with the intention of b/f. I didn't want to pot commit myself in case he ended up having AK and I get raised (have not seen any big bluffs out of him yet either)....believed I was betting for value here though and didn't want him to scare him off in case he did have 99-JJ.

How's my line of thinking?? How's my bet sizing on turn and river??
You're thinking what I'm thinking. I guess you lost though since you are posting this?
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05-11-2014 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaNEWPr0fess0r
You're thinking what I'm thinking. I guess you lost though since you are posting this?
I post hands that I win and lose...generally just making sure that I'm making the correct, most profitable decisions...not being results oriented on here.
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05-11-2014 , 07:52 PM
Spoiler:
Villain calls and shows down TT....Hero takes down the pot. Was just wondering if I could've got more value out of this hand somewhere and just what other people's lines would've been with the hand.
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05-11-2014 , 07:58 PM
Earlier ITT I said smash river. I think as described, no reason to think villain will fold those kinds of hands (earlier I said we can likely get value from 99-JJ). He played the hand to get to showdown. He's got about $360 behind and pots $390. I understand he doesn't want to call a stuff, but I think you can go $200-$250 pretty comfortably.

Still very well played, just bet bigger on river.
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05-11-2014 , 08:13 PM
I like it, I would probably bet a little bigger on the river (fwiw in the OP it says "$390", it should be $290) because a good opponent might read the 1/3 pot bet as weak/blocking.
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05-11-2014 , 08:59 PM
Ah sorry. Just used OP for math, so yeah pick a number between $180-$230
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05-11-2014 , 10:57 PM
I'm also not 4!ing a L/RR from loose/passive fish. The L/RR is generally only AA with loose/passive fish, but when he checks back OTF, I think we have to discredit that a bit, though KK may check back here(only 3 combos). AK is def betting this flop, so I think we can discount that a bit as well when he checks back.

Turn takes KK out of his range here, though go ahead and keep that 1 combo in if you like. AQ folds , though you hold blockers to QQ/AQ, so I like the bet OTT as you stand to be ahead of what is most likely 88-jj. His flat supports medium strength. This is prob a b/f for me as I don't expect the l/p fish to bluff raise turn.

River is a nice spot to try to get a call out of weaker hands, so i'm leading out 180 otr and expecting to be looked up by worse. Don't think villain is ever bluff raising, so this is def a b/f for me.
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05-11-2014 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Donat3llo
I'm also not 4!ing a L/RR from loose/passive fish. The L/RR is generally only AA with loose/passive fish, but when he checks back OTF, I think we have to discredit that a bit, though KK may check back here(only 3 combos). AK is def betting this flop, so I think we can discount that a bit as well when he checks back.

Turn takes KK out of his range here, though go ahead and keep that 1 combo in if you like. AQ folds , though you hold blockers to QQ/AQ, so I like the bet OTT as you stand to be ahead of what is most likely 88-jj. His flat supports medium strength. This is prob a b/f for me as I don't expect the l/p fish to bluff raise turn.

River is a nice spot to try to get a call out of weaker hands, so i'm leading out 180 otr and expecting to be looked up by worse. Don't think villain is ever bluff raising, so this is def a b/f for me.

Fantastic logical breakdown of V's range here based on action....I just got a little smarter
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05-12-2014 , 12:28 AM
b/f 150
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