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2/5 NL - Range Question on which hands make the best 3B-3barrel on given board 2/5 NL - Range Question on which hands make the best 3B-3barrel on given board

03-29-2018 , 03:34 AM
Rather than give my exact hand in this spot, I am curious on what people think would be the best hands to run a bluff in the manner that I did. I don't want to bias people with my exact hand. Results maybe to follow later.

The stakes are 2/5 NL with a max buyin of 800. I am playing at a dog track poker room. The game has a certain ebb and flow, but overall not toooo crazy. Villain in the hand originally bought in for only around 200-300 but had been making some good hands and running it up to roughly ~1500. He's 3bet a couple of times, but hasn't been too crazy and nothing is very standout about him. I would basically say he's just ok. Not bad, but not a beast or anything. But obviously not confident originally to buyin for max, take that as you want.

Hero has overall been playing pretty taggish. I'm stuck a couple hundred as
I've been folding in numerous spots with bad runouts and have been folding a lot of second best hands, but people may have had the impression at some point that I was wider in spots then I actually was. In the last hour though I've been pretty snug and haven't really been getting involved in the mix too much, as I've been relatively card dead.

Onto the hand:

Stacks:
Villain (CO) ~$1,500
Hero (SB) $785

Folds to Villain in CO who makes it 20. BTN folds, Hero 3bets SB to 85 with XX

BB folds, Villain calls. We are heads up to a flop.

Pot $175
Flop A69

Hero bets 90, Villian calls.

Pot $355
Turn A693

Hero bets 175, Villain calls without too much pause

Pot $705
River A6938

Hero Jams $435

Question(s):

What hands would be the best bluffing candidates with this line? (If any)

What hands would make better candidates to overbet jam the turn with? (If any)

How does your range change if the Ace were a club and the 6 were the diamond instead?

Thanks for all your comments
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03-29-2018 , 04:32 AM
Prob bluff KdQx and 87s, but at LLSNL there isnt much of a need to defend your SB ad aggro, esp when raising ranges tend to be tighter live & we have less fold equity.

Having an overbetting jam range ott makes no sense for our value and bluffs. Also easy for him to make less mistakes.

If the ace is a club, im hardly bluffig this runout bc people love sooooted aces and prob dont fold pre IP with Axdd. They can easily be trapping
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03-29-2018 , 05:33 AM
if youre gonna bluff you need to put on some pressure man. Betting half pot on a wet flop with an Ace out there aint gonna sell it. I'd probably bet more like 120 or 140. Same reasoning on turn as well, in fact turn could end up being an overbet shove. I mean honestly who's gonna bet halfpot with AK with so many draws out there? Rep a hand. As for my 3! bluff range preflop it's gonna be suited connectors/gappers and broadways. I'll barrel anything with some legit equity, i.e. pair + backdoor draw, gutshot, etc. I'll x/f the flop with anything that completely whiffed. I'm double barreling quite often but have to make a read to determine if river bluff will work. Probably best without just an Ace on this texture. Like you want the flop to include another high card so that villain has more combos of bluffcatchers you can push him off of. On this particular board he could very easily have something like AJ that just wont let it go. But if the flop was like AQ6 or something now he has a ton of Qx/KJ/KT/JT hands that call a 3! preflop and try to look you up. These are the hands you can get him off of.

Last edited by javi; 03-29-2018 at 05:53 AM.
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03-29-2018 , 06:37 AM
Hello fellow Grinders,

I made a bit of analysis on our spot in this hand and tried to sum up my conclusions in these paragraphs.
I hope you enjoy reading

3 barrel bluff hands :

Given that you are 3 betting from the small blind you have a pretty strong hand in here.
In ordet to 3 barrel in this spot you need to have some bluffs and a more made hands to be balanced.
If you wanna 3 barrel bluff you need strong blockers on the made hands.

Nut Flushes : Having the King of diamond here is a pretty good candidate to
3-barrel bluff but there are few Kings you have here KdQx(4) or KdJx(4) other than
those two candidates I don't see many hands containing a King that might 3-bet on the SB.
Straights : Having 77(6) or 55(6) eventhough I don't see much merit to 3 betting this hand on the small blind, but these are nice bluffing hands since they block your opponent from having 75s that might call with a gutter on the flop, and a double belly buster on turn. But I really don't see our opponent calling a 3-bet with a hand like this one against a potentially very strong range.

All in all, having very few bluffs in this spots makes it more likely that we have a strong made hands :
AA(3), AK(12) ; AQ (12) ; KdQd(1) ; QdJd(1) ; JdTd(1) ; 8d7d(1) ; 7d6d(1) ; 6d5d(1)
And having these hands makes our bluff profitable.

Overbet jam Turn :

This spot is pretty tricky since we don't have many value hands that wanna jam the turn since they will only get called by flushes,
and make other drawing or marginal hands fold. So I don't think there are very any potential hands we can jam turn with.

If the ace was a club and the six was a diamond :

I don't think that many things would change except that our KdQx or KdJx are not longer the nut flush draws and we should be more careful about bluffing in this spot.

I hope that I have been a bit helpful and I am open to any critics and opinions from everyone
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03-29-2018 , 09:49 AM
This all comes down to how wide your 3! range is from SB and whether or not V knows what this range is. Honestly, most LSNL players who describe themselves as TAG have 3! ranges from OOP that are quite narrow (say TT+, AQs+, AK etc.) that I would find it difficult to believe that you have a flush on this board (with the very possible exception of KQ). So, my decision to call you down would be mostly based on how I thought my hand did versus your value range.

Put it this way...I am never folding 2p+ (even 63) to you (as described) on this board.
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03-29-2018 , 11:11 AM
Well a hand like KQo w/ would be your best bluffing candidate but if that isn’t in your 3bet range then something more realistic would be TT w/ .
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03-29-2018 , 05:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by javi
if youre gonna bluff you need to put on some pressure man. Betting half pot on a wet flop with an Ace out there aint gonna sell it. I'd probably bet more like 120 or 140. Same reasoning on turn as well, in fact turn could end up being an overbet shove. I mean honestly who's gonna bet halfpot with AK with so many draws out there? Rep a hand. As for my 3! bluff range preflop it's gonna be suited connectors/gappers and broadways. I'll barrel anything with some legit equity, i.e. pair + backdoor draw, gutshot, etc. I'll x/f the flop with anything that completely whiffed. I'm double barreling quite often but have to make a read to determine if river bluff will work. Probably best without just an Ace on this texture. Like you want the flop to include another high card so that villain has more combos of bluffcatchers you can push him off of. On this particular board he could very easily have something like AJ that just wont let it go. But if the flop was like AQ6 or something now he has a ton of Qx/KJ/KT/JT hands that call a 3! preflop and try to look you up. These are the hands you can get him off of.
thanks for the post

My logic for betting a bit smaller was I wanted to maximize my fold equity when I jammed river. Although I do take the point that perhaps I should have bet large on flop and made a slight overbet jam on the turn. Maybe. I'm not sure.
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03-29-2018 , 05:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shorn7
This all comes down to how wide your 3! range is from SB and whether or not V knows what this range is. Honestly, most LSNL players who describe themselves as TAG have 3! ranges from OOP that are quite narrow (say TT+, AQs+, AK etc.) that I would find it difficult to believe that you have a flush on this board (with the very possible exception of KQ). So, my decision to call you down would be mostly based on how I thought my hand did versus your value range.

Put it this way...I am never folding 2p+ (even 63) to you (as described) on this board.
I def have some suited connectors here as a 3bet, but you are right villain may not technically see this. On this specific board I'd def have 67dd, 87dd, maybe one other combo..
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