Hero ($1200) - winning image...mid-late 20's grinder. TAG.

Villain ($500) - late 20's, early 30's grinder looking w/sunglasses. Never seen before and just sat down at table 2 orbits ago and inactive so far.

Folds around. Hero raises in CO to $25 with QT...Villain flats on button. Everyone else folds.

Flop ($57) - T95

Hero bets out $35....villain flats.

Turn ($127) - 8

Hero checks....villain bets out $70....hero tank calls after a little deliberation.

River ($267) - 3

Hero checks...villain bets out $180...hero????

Thoughts on all streets appreciated.

Just fold river and its played fine..I might b/f turn some

Grunch

Why not b/f turn? We block QJ combos and can get value from JT. If he flats or raises turn, we safely c/f as there are few hands that will bet river that we beat.

AP, c/f river. Without reads I'm not trying to pick off bluffs.

agree with this

I'd fold river.

Opponent is betting again after your deliberation, which could be read as strength. Regardless, you are beating JT combos but losing to more nutty combos.

Think your entire line was fine.

Ok...that's all the confirmation I needed. I was actually the villain in the hand....

Assuming that your Villain isn't posting in this thread, why do you think it was a good line?

I think if someone calls the turn they're rarely folding the river when it's a total blank.

The Villain's mistake was that he tried very hard to give you free cards when he could have value bet.

I think if you're going to play this as a float, you need to bet more on turn and river. Regardless, wearing sunglasses, looking bluffy, and against someone with a winning image, a decently sized stack, and almost certainly at least top pair is probably not the right place to bluff.

Definitely 3bet preflop unless you're trying to bring a megafish along in the blinds.

I would bet $100 on the turn and plan to shove the river if called. Checking the turn back seems pretty bad unless you have the read that this villain is likely to c/r. His most likely hand once he checks the turn is nothing, and his second most likely hand is one pair that can't stand two bets.

EDIT: This is also why b/f the turn is better than x/c.

Fold flop is probably best. I just don't see a decent TAG betting this flop then check/folding many turn cards all that often. But if you want to stay in the hand, I think a flop raise is better than a call because you get extra leverage on a turn bet due to stack sizes.

PF: OK

F: Heads Up. Pot is $57. SPR is 8. Good bet.

T: Pot is $127. Did this guy just float us to take it away on the turn? If he doesn't have air here, what does his range look like:

We lose to: AT, KT, QJ, TT, 99, 55, 98
We are beating: A9, JT, 87

Does this guy bet a hand like A9, JT, or 87 here?

This guy has been inactive for two orbits, looks like a grinder, so he is probably somewhat competent. Even if he doesn't have us beat, he likely knows that we know that this board looks scary to us, especially since we checked the turn. At this point I'm between folding and check/calling. I think both have merit. As played, we check/call. My plan for the river would be to check/fold.

R: Pot is $267. 3h doesn't change much. We check, he bets 2/3 pot. I just don't think that we beat much. I'd stick to the plan and fold.

as played, fold to flop cbet unless you think you could get creative but flatting is worse than raise/folding 2.25ximo.

3bet pre, he is late enough where even an unknown will open wider from the CO.

also we would have to bet pot or just over pot to get what we sense is a medium hand to fold otr.

Why is that? I really don't know the answer. I see people post things such as this, and I'm not sure what it means. Also, I see people post about good turn cards to barrell and I still don't know what "good" really means. Anyone have any good links to this sort of discussion on these forums?

If you're trying to get him off 10x Id prolly go pot or pot+ OTR

The bet sizing increase w/relation to the pot from turn to river polarizes the range to straights and bluffs on this board which really makes me want to call, especially with the Q blocker.

I don't exactly know either. It just "feels" like a board where a tag is firing 0 or at least 2 barrels, but rarely 1... If I'm playing tag, and I know my preflop range had a lot of AJ-AK hands, then if I'm betting those hands I feel like I have to tell a story and bet at least twice. This flop is one that you'll continue a ton of the time on though, so I may just check/fold my AJ-AK hands. If I have KJ, KQ, or JQ, I'm probably going to bet at least twice with my equity. If I have Axs or underpairs, I'm often just giving up with you in position knowing that all of your unpaired hands have a ton of equity against me. Maybe throwing in some spazzy check raise bluffs occasionally to protect myself from check/folding too much against an aggressive looking villain. The rest of my hands are mostly overpair, top pair or sets. Then I'm obviously going to bet at least twice.

Good point about the Q blocker here. I think both JT and QT are better to call with than KT or AT. The blocker eats up close to 25% of villain's value-betting range.

If you are going to bluff river here vs. a grindy type player (and since you look grindy yourself), I think you have to go a bit bigger.

Checking behind on the turn is also a viable option instead of completing the float bluff since you picked up a bunch of equity AND you have showdown value. Your hand equity + SDV is comproable to the equity of bluffing here imo.

I think that your opponent in this thread should come forward and give his thoughts on the hand. (Damn lurkers)

These hero/villain swapped "is my bluff good?" threads can't tell you much. Without reads people default to standard live villains who will not float, so the responses tend towards them actually having a hand. Similarly people do not expect V's to fold pairs so your river bet is pretty spew. Float + Turn bet is fine.

His call of your bluff is marginal at best.
The way you played your hand could have been much more exploitative.

You hit the absolute best bluff card for your float, and you bet 60% of pot?
Should have pot the turn, and shoved every river when checked to.

Should have gone like this, now instead of a consensus marginal fold, it makes QT be an EASY fold. Even much stronger hands bar any reads are folding against this line(JJ+/98). Even if a T hits the river, anything weaker than KT has a hard time calling.


Turn ($127) - 8s
Villain (440) checks, Hero bets 120, villain calls

River (367) - X
villain(360) checks, Hero All in

I would bet turn

Calling river now

Wow this is awkward.. Sry couldn't stop myself..
If I'm v here w qtcc im c/r turn big