While I would prefer to look at this hand in a vacuum, will give some dynamics about this particular table because everyone likes dynamics. But I am really looking for analysis is a vaccuum here.

Background: Everyone at the table is terrible.
Main Villains:

UTG+1 (Player A) Tightish PF, station post. Easy to range and easy to read. calls most hands, raises with premiums. $500

CO (Player B): Complete station, calls any pair and any draw. Raises only with monsters, and will over bet. Will call any 2 cards PF for any amount of money. $900 stack (was well over $2k at one point)

Me (straddle): Have had some bad beats at table. Probably seem aggro pf/flop, and weak tight after. (a function primarily of the cards I have been dealt). $700


I post $10 straddle UTG. UTG+1 Raises to 30 (hand shaking...he big). 5 callers. i have 7 3. Getting about 10:1, I call. (mistake?) I tell myself if the flush hits, I am prepared to go broke with it.

Flop: K J: 4

Everybody checks.

Turn: 9

I lead out $115. UTG+1 minraises to 230. All fold to CO, who calls after deliberation. I fold (so much for preflop game plan).

Will post rest of hand after discussion.

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My main questions are: Is PF a 100% fold, and is there a clearly better way to play this hand on flop/turn once I am in the hand?

When I initially led turn I did so because a) I thought I was likely ahead and b) I thought my hand was vulnerable. Given the action after I led out and the relatively short stacks, I think a fold is correct.

If that line of reasoning is correct (and I'm not saying that is), then is my leading bet then essentially a bluff? If there was just the one minraise and no callers am I obligated to shove? If 2 players flatted do I check fold all rivers? Do I check call if player A bets and Player B folds? Should I ever shove turn (I considered this briefly but did not feel my stack was deep enough to get even a mid-sized flush to fold, or a set. If called by just a single player, do I fire all blank rivers, or check call/check fold all rivers?

My problem is you made a plan to go broke with the flush, then folded the flush. I'm not saying you aren't beat, but ...

Yeah, I'd fold that pre and stop straddling.

Fold pre ainec.......as played shove.....you say he's a station post flop yet you give him a flush only range. I don't love the spot but he can def be raising here with worse for a lot of terrible reasons ..... Add to this the fact that really if he's got us beat its AQss or A10ss Q10ss all of which would be bet/getting it in OTF. Sometimes I'm sure bad players will check the flop but that's really irrelevant now. You called the raise with 37ss made your hand now go with it....... U made your bed, lie in it

The thing that strikes me is your comment that UTG + 1 had his hand shaking when he made the pf raise. I doubt that happens to him when he has ATs or QTs...possibly with AQs, but why no cbet on a royal gutshot flop?

I wonder if he ever takes this line with KK or AsAx. It seems a little more plausible for the hand to be shaking with those hands, and there are certainly bad players who check on the flop hoping to k/r despite their pf lead and then ignore the flush that came in on the turn with 5 players in, thinking he has his set or overpair + flush draw and will get there on the river anyway. This line doesn't match up well to your description of him being a station postflop who only raises with premiums, since those hands aren't exactly a lock on the turn, but maybe he's gone crazy with AA/KK.

I think CO may hold a naked As, although this too could be dangerous. His pause could be him sitting there with the nuts thinking, "OK, if the board doesn't pair, I can stack off," esp since he's in position. I know a lot of players love to do that in position in live games.

As far as the pf call goes, 10:1 means nothing when you have reverse implied odds for just about anything that happens after the flop. This is a great example of a spot where none of your options are +EV and you just have to select the least bad course of action. You're getting 6.5 to 1 on this turn call, but with very negative implied odds for an OOP river.

I can vaguely picture a scenario where shoving causes UTG + 1 to call off with a set hoping for the boat and CO folds a slightly higher flush like 8s9s...oh, wait, I'm thinking of the High Stakes Poker episode where DeGenyamine shoves a low flush and gets DN to fold a higher flush and Doyle to call with a set. This is real life, so I never expect that scenario to ever happen.

more than 100%.

scs are difficult to play oop profitably, so think about the situations you would get in with 73s

I'll confess I fudged one part of the OP. My starting hand was actually 6 7, which made preflop call automatic IMO. Was curious to see what the consensus minimum holding should be when calling PF when your call closes action... Top 75% of hands?

Any thoughts on rest of hand? Any way to turn this into a profitable situation? Anyone here actually fold/raise with 67ss pre?

The main problem is having the thought of "I'm stacking off with any flush", so your play >>>>thought process. The reason the call pre flop is +EV is because of the good decisions you make on every street to come across the full range of scenarios, not because you can sometimes hit a straight or a flush.

And, no you can't make it into a profitable situation when you get overflushed!

Not straddling would be the biggest EV change you could make.

Yea, I don't see the UTG raiser having a flush here. He really have AQ, hand shaking, then checked the flop when he hits a nut flush/royal draw? Doesn't make sense imo. It looks like he has a terribly played KK, just panicked and checked the flop like quite a few people do when they flop top set. No other flush hands are in this guy's UTG+1 raising range, I'm not even 100% positive AQ is in his UTG+1 raising range... I don't think you can ever fold strictly vs. this player.

Now normally, I fold when the other guy flat calls. However, you have described him as a terrible calling station. This paints an Ax type picture or maybe even a QX/TX (straight frush drawr!). QT is also possible, just incapable of folding a straight here. So is 99. Could even be 25 I suppose. Way too many possibilities to fold to him either.

I mean, again, if this table was competent it's a pretty easy lay down. But since they're terrible, I just don't like folding here. Sigh and jam it in there.